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Another current take on solar and batteries


Tesla’s Battery Play Could Blindside Utility Companies


Battery storage technology is the killer app for alternative energy. Solar panels receive sunlight only during the day, and wind power is even more intermittent. Relatively inefficient gasoline- and diesel-powered internal combustion engines have reigned supreme for a century due to the difficulty of storing electricity — difficulty that may be melting away.


As someone whose car company, Tesla Motors, is betting on batteries at a time when the market is still focused on hybrids, Elon Musk has a particular interest in storing energy. Tesla, which uses cheaper and readily available batteries known as “commodity” 18650 cells (the same used in laptops and cell phones), demands a tremendous amount of lithium-ion batteries, even more than electric car market leader Nissan for its Leaf model. If Tesla reaches its goal of producing 40,000 cars by the end of this year, according to Green Car Reports, “the Model S alone will soak up almost 40 percent of global cylindrical battery production.”


As a result, the company wields tremendous influence in the consumer battery industry. Japanese electronics giant Panasonic, Tesla’s primary battery supplier and part investor, went from a loss of 2 billion yen (around $20 million) in the second quarter of 2012 to a 4 billion yen profit a year later. Green Car Reports writes that this comeback came “largely on the strength of the voracious increase in demand from [Tesla’s] Model S.”


Having become one of the largest purchasers of lithium-ion batteries, Tesla is now looking to manufacture them. Last month the company announced that it hopes to open a so-called gigafactory by 2017 that would be the world’s largest battery plant, a switch from its traditional strategy of buying Asian commodity cell batteries in bulk.


“It’s the future of the company,” analyst Craig Irwin told CNN Money. “They need to cut the cost of the battery in half in order to make a half-million cars” — an annual target which, among others, could net Elon Musk $1.8 billion in incentive pay if he reaches it by 2022. (In 2011, Musk mused that the company could hit half a million in annual production in seven years at the very latest.)


With Tesla’s announcement that it will open its own lithium-ion battery factory, companies like the Pleasanton, Calif.-based Simbol are rushing to meet the demand for lithium. Simbol’s plant, in particular, will extract lithium from geothermal power plant waste. Eventually, Tesla plans to produce 30 gigawatt-hours of battery capacity every year — more than was produced throughout the entire world in this past year.


Tesla’s investment in battery storage could also have ramifications beyond the world of electric cars. One Morgan Stanley analyst pushed Tesla Motors’ market capitalization over $30 billion late last month when he wrote that battery innovation could bleed into the electrical utility industry. “If Tesla can become the world’s low-cost producer in energy storage,” he wrote, “we see significant optionality for Tesla to disrupt adjacent industries.”


These “adjacent industries” would be traditional electrical utilities. Electrical utilities have been slow to react to the challenge posed by renewable energy, especially distributed solar power production, and could end up blindsided by improved battery storage technology. By creating a method for storing energy — Tesla’s battery is reportedly capable of storing enough electricity to power a home for 3.5 days — electric cars and other distributed battery storage solutions could dramatically reduce the need for solar panel users to stay connected to the grid.


And with the proportion of traditional utility customers using rooftop solar leading to big headaches, the development of a way to store excess energy and set future electricity prices could pose even bigger challenges to the business model.


Utilities aren’t taking the threat lying down. California’s largest electricity providers are trying to deny customers the right to hook solar-powered batteries up to the grid without hefty connection charges. The state Public Utilities Commission put a temporary stop to the practice until it can rule on the matter.


“If you can get batteries cheap enough and combine them with solar panels, you no longer need the utility,” a Navigant analyst told Bloomberg. But it might take a while to get there. “Then the question is how cheap [do batteries] have to be?” The answer: “Really, really, really cheap.”


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Here are couple of things to look at

The payback on solar electric depends on the cost of power/KW hr plus delivery charges against the time to recoup your investment. I have seen timeframes in the Phoenix area range from 15-20 years on a $25-$50,000.oo investment. I see it as an investment that needs to fall in the 5-8 year range; as I noted earlier, in St Croix you are seeing 2-3 years on a $15-$20,000.oo cost.

For panels and systems take a look at LG Electronics, Mono X, monocrystaline panels designed for hurricane and snow loads.


Here is another new twist on Nukes at a smaller scale coming out of a small group of MIT grad students I meet a year ago.

http://www.upowertech.com/
 
I'm installing a turn-key solar system for my "hunting lodge" at the JackiB Farm & Hunt Club. According to the guy, it will handle my energy needs....100% off grid. Thats based on me being out there 2-3 days per week topz (big battery bank). So by the summer, I'll be ready for TEOTWAWKI :)

The system will be scalable. Since it is a three hour drive for me, I will probably have to upgrade the system a bit if I plan to recharge enough get home in that new Tesla SUV
 
Recently had a ride in a Tesla - an amazing car and a really fun ride. Hard to understand the restrictions, other than the power of unions...
 
One of the villas we rent on the island uses solar to heat the water and this past December, when we had very little sun, one or both of us endured cool showers 8 out of 10 days and we weren't too happy about it.
 
One of the villas we rent on the island uses solar to heat the water and this past December, when we had very little sun, one or both if us endured cool showers 8 out of 10 days and we weren't too happy about it.

thats an old system then because my panels ( and most others ) make electricity on cloudy days.....
 
Blessed by year-round tropical sunshine, the Caribbean seems like a natural candidate for solar power.
To date, primarily only small properties have adopted it, while larger hotels have used it on a more limited basis.
But with its installation of 2,602 solar panels with a 755-kilowatt capacity, the 317-room Westin Dawn Beach Resort & Spa on St. Maarten claims this crown: the largest solar resort in the Caribbean region.
The hotel began dabbling with solar power in 2007 when it used panels to heat its swimming pool. With the expansion of the project, it expects to channel six to eight hours of solar energy daily throughout the resort.
Company executives cited the abundance of sunshine on the Dutch Caribbean island and calculated a return on investment of four to five years, while saving 1.9 million pounds of carbon dioxide emissions annually.
The panels, meanwhile, won’t wreck the resort’s ocean views; the devices are located on the roof. image.jpg
 
thats way cool....

I really got to appreciate solar power last week...typically all boat batteries need to come off the boat, which is a heavy clumsy PITA job to do, and they need to be stored and trickle charged somewhere for the winter...

but not anymore!

I put each battery ( five of them ) on their own solar trickle charger.....after 6 months of complete inactivity in a very cold harsh environment I put a voltage meter on the batteries and each 12 volt battery was 13.2 volts or better....

no more luggin 70 pound batteries on and off the boat....:eagerness:
 
We put solar panels (electric & water) on our villa last year = we're now 100% Green & "off the grid". (We treat & drink our 22,000 gallon cistern water.) Total solar outlay will be re-couped in 11 years - less the amount EDF will be paying us for buying our extra power when we're not on-island. If you'd like further info and/or the local St.B. solar contractor, send me a PM.
 
thats way cool....

I really got to appreciate solar power last week...typically all boat batteries need to come off the boat, which is a heavy clumsy PITA job to do, and they need to be stored and trickle charged somewhere for the winter...

but not anymore!

I put each battery ( five of them ) on their own solar trickle charger.....after 6 months of complete inactivity in a very cold harsh environment I put a voltage meter on the batteries and each 12 volt battery was 13.2 volts or better....

no more luggin 70 pound batteries on and off the boat....:eagerness:
Mike--can you send me the info on that trickle charger, for my parents?
 
We put solar panels (electric & water) on our villa last year = we're now 100% Green & "off the grid". (We treat & drink our 22,000 gallon cistern water.) Total solar outlay will be re-couped in 11 years - less the amount EDF will be paying us for buying our extra power when we're not on-island. If you'd like further info and/or the local St.B. solar contractor, send me a PM.

Out of curiosity, how much did it cost for the installation? our electric bill is about 3 thousand euros per year (1 house and 1 rental studio) so 11 years recoup would be 33,000 euros... are the panels on your roof? any maintenance required? insurance for high winds in hurricanes? glad to hear such a systems works here...
 
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