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I was just called and informed there is a private plane that outrun the runway and is in the sand/beach area in st. jean.............going to check it
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NCRob said:
Hi Rob,
Your aircraft touched down very late as well (passed the second taxiway by the look of it). But this seems to be a single engine turboprop, a Pilatus from Tradewind I guess?
The Turboprop has reverse thrust on the prop which enables very short landings, so there is a little more room there for braking then.
The "offset" approach to the runway is used to coounteract against the wind effect. Coming from this side is usually used when the winds are from the North East (060° to 080°), a typical St Barth approach when the tradewinds blow, you see where the airline gets its name from now.... ;-)
BTW, the approach angle is a bit high also on the approach which results a higher landing speed and longer ground roll. Again the reverse thrust available on the turboprop helps the braking action.
The "high profile" is usually used to fly over the turbulence found in short final just before the tourmente hill (rotors induced by the wind flowing over the hill). It is the dangerous part of the approach when the winds are strong. It's also at this point that you usually hear the ladies (and gents ;-) ) say "hoo", "hii", or "haa" due to the bumps.
The relief comes once passed the hill when the aircraft is now diving onto the runway for touchdown (just above the cars on the roundabout).
JEK,
Yes, we did use more runway, although looking back I see that we certainly did land beyond the second taxiway as islander indicated. In any event, I'm thankful that our trip was without incident!
Islander,
Yes, it was a single engine aircraft (I will trust your expertise and assume that you're correct in saying that it was a turboprop). We flew Air Caraibes from SXM. You can see the same plane coming in at around the 2:30 mark of this video that I shot from the beach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po6xN0alkss
-Rob
Yes, we did use more runway, although looking back I see that we certainly did land beyond the second taxiway as islander indicated. In any event, I'm thankful that our trip was without incident!
Islander,
Yes, it was a single engine aircraft (I will trust your expertise and assume that you're correct in saying that it was a turboprop). We flew Air Caraibes from SXM. You can see the same plane coming in at around the 2:30 mark of this video that I shot from the beach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po6xN0alkss
-Rob
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Is there confirmation on which airline operated this "landing?"
I am concerned as I am in the process of booking a charter flight with St.Barths Commuter from SJU to SBH for end of June.
Any inside tips are appreciated-
I am concerned as I am in the process of booking a charter flight with St.Barths Commuter from SJU to SBH for end of June.
Any inside tips are appreciated-
KevinS
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Podwich, your video has hit the blogosphere. Your YouTube version has been linked by HuffingtonPost.com, and your Vimeo version has been linked by the St Maarten board on the TravelTalkOnLine forum.
HuffingtonPost
TTOL
HuffingtonPost
TTOL
KevinS
Senior Insider
From WesLA1 on Youtube:
"My friend and I chartered this small plane from San Juan to St. Barths when our American flight from LA was late and caused us to miss our connections via St. Martin. It was clear immediately when we were landing that we were coming in too fast and too far down the runway. Almost immediately pilot said "we aren't going to make it". Fortunately no one was hurt, just a little shaken up. Cool that a tourist caught the whole thing on video."
"My friend and I chartered this small plane from San Juan to St. Barths when our American flight from LA was late and caused us to miss our connections via St. Martin. It was clear immediately when we were landing that we were coming in too fast and too far down the runway. Almost immediately pilot said "we aren't going to make it". Fortunately no one was hurt, just a little shaken up. Cool that a tourist caught the whole thing on video."
NYCFred said:
To save a little reverse research up this thread for people; "flooring it" is taught as a Go Around. I believe it's the hardest thing to train a new pilot to do. Between the aforementioned 'Get-there-itis' there is also, perhaps, just a leeeetle bit of ego involved. ("I can pull this off dammit!") My instructors kept telling me that it's a sign of a good pilot to know when to go-around. But there's always that temptation to try and grease it no matter what.
Earl
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Yes Fred...you can just "floor it" when it doesn't look right. Much smarter to go around (when still in the air), or touch and go, than to land and then figure out that the aircraft isn't going to stop...by that time, you can't take off again, and you are not going to get the aircraft stopped on the runway. OBTW, approach speed is normally about the same as take off speed, so making the right decision at the right time is critical.
NYCFred
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I gather it's a tough call. In this case, the beach falls away at the end of the runway, so I guess you're either going fast enough to have lift there, or you're in the bay.
My piloting experience is limited to one "Learn to Fly for $5" promotion in a Cessna out of Teterboro about 20 years ago...LOL
My piloting experience is limited to one "Learn to Fly for $5" promotion in a Cessna out of Teterboro about 20 years ago...LOL
