Etoile Hotel permit cancelled

In the interest of transparency, I might have thought the COM would have published their reaction to or position concerning this ruling by now.
Has anyone run across either ?
Why would they? The verdict is based on technicalities as the legal observers would say in US, and it is very difficult to argue with that. So no matter what their personal opinions are about the ruling, they probably would keep those opinions for themselves.
 
The french judiciary moves at a glacial pace. I’m not expecting a resolution anytime soon.
This close to what I said - the developers are wasting their time, money and effort. They would be better off just following what the lower court said - develop a new project from scratch and make sure not to use the land that was not leased to them.
 
This close to what I said - the developers are wasting their time, money and effort. They would be better off just following what the lower court said - develop a new project from scratch and make sure not to use the land that was not leased to them.
I’m not sure that you have an accurate awareness of facts, Leon, when you say “. . . develop a new project from scratch and make sure not to use the land that was not leased to them.”

My understanding, in following the saga, is that the currently proposed design was intensely hammered-out in negotiations between the owner & the Collectivité (including as a surrogate for various island ‘green” interests). Is there a need to restart development of plans that were painstakingly (& expensively) negotiated between owner & the Collectivité?

lAnd with respect to “[making] sure not to use the land that was not leased to them“ . . . is this a current issue? Maybe just a canard thrown into arguments? in any event, I haven’t read it as a noted, current issue (maybe historically?).
 
I’m not sure that you have an accurate awareness of facts, Leon, when you say “. . . develop a new project from scratch and make sure not to use the land that was not leased to them.”

My understanding, in following the saga, is that the currently proposed design was intensely hammered-out in negotiations between the owner & the Collectivité (including as a surrogate for various island ‘green” interests). Is there a need to restart development of plans that were painstakingly (& expensively) negotiated between owner & the Collectivité?

lAnd with respect to “[making] sure not to use the land that was not leased to them“ . . . is this a current issue? Maybe just a canard thrown into arguments? in any event, I haven’t read it as a noted, current issue (maybe historically?).
I am referring to the issue with the project that is treated by the court as the "fraud". My understanding is that the root cause of the said "fraud" is maybe unintentional mistake with the plans or usage description and it cannot be cured in appeals. The Court stated that they will not allow any alterations to the project (it does not make sense to me but it is apparently rooted in the French jurisprudence) as they would consider that the "fraud" inherently remains.So the only solution IMHO is to show to the Court that the Developer has the new project, where technically they can use most of their previous work (so my "from scratch" means in formalities). But they have to be careful to avoid any appearance of that "fraud" in the new project.
 
I’m not sure that you have an accurate awareness of facts, Leon, when you say “. . . develop a new project from scratch and make sure not to use the land that was not leased to them.”
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lAnd with respect to “[making] sure not to use the land that was not leased to them“ . . . is this a current issue? Maybe just a canard thrown into arguments? in any event, I haven’t read it as a noted, current issue (maybe historically?).
Dennis, This is (as I understand the ruling) what court calls "fraud" and as such is not curable in the following project alterations.
 
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Rereading the Le Journal article, I’d say the judge’s ruling is far from definitive or uncontestable. As indicated by both the developer’s comments and the COM’s.
 
Does anyone know what the fraud consisted of? A new application that is without that issue could be considered. Something is going to go there, it's too beautiful to just sit there empty.
 
Does anyone know what the fraud consisted of? A new application that is without that issue could be considered. Something is going to go there, it's too beautiful to just sit there empty.
According to the developer’s attorney, the judge’s interpretation of the subject ground lease could be applied to « quasiment » every lease on the island.
 
As I wrote above the "original sin", or as they called it "fraud" in the Court's view is linked to the lease (from COM?) and it's use in the original project specs. It might be illogical in our or the Developer attorney's view but it is the base of the Courts decisions and if the developer will not be able to get the higher court to agree with their view, the denial will stand no matter what they change in the details of the project. My feeling is that the higher courts will look at this issue as specific to SBH and will leave the original "fraud" ruling intact.
 
we'll have to wait and see. i don't see it that way.
the com expressed disappointment in the decision too, as the principal parties had invested considerable time and resources to tailor the new permit so as to make stakeholders happy.
apparently, some stakeholders can't be made happy. one wonders why that may be. :cool:
i'll defer to mr. dennis, as he is 1000% more well-informed than any others of us here.
 
That's the only choice we have, to wait and see. I as anybody else don't like to see that fence blocking the sea view with the idle crane above it forever.
 
we'll have to wait and see. i don't see it that way.
the com expressed disappointment in the decision too, as the principal parties had invested considerable time and resources to tailor the new permit so as to make stakeholders happy.
apparently, some stakeholders can't be made happy. one wonders why that may be. :cool:
i'll defer to mr. dennis, as he is 1000% more well-informed than any others of us here.
D’accord
I have been reluctant to chime in on this topic.......What I don't understand is why folks that spend 2 weeks a year down here are so up in arms over the project. My local folks tell me that something will happen but probably not on the scale as initially proposed. These are the folks that own Le Barthemey which many here enjoy. Over the last 10 years I have done some casual catering for this family on Nantucket but I personally have never met them. I guess my rare post is asking the question of why SBH on-line visitors feel like they have a horse in this race.
 
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