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Petri
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OMG! Billions of Apps! Billions of phones! Billions of.. eh.. something.
4:23AM "Think about the opportunity. In India today there are 1.2 billion people, but did you know there are only 63 million fixed internet connections."
4:22AM "It's easy for us to take voice for granted, it's easy for us to take the internet for granted, so what does it mean to bring internet to the next billion people?"
4:19AM "Who is the next billion? Who are these people?" They're probably very small, slightly cranky, enjoy being held by their mothers.
4:18AM "There is a lot more that we need to do. When we shifted our strategy we set out to connect the next billion people to the internet."
4:23AM "Think about the opportunity. In India today there are 1.2 billion people, but did you know there are only 63 million fixed internet connections."
4:22AM "It's easy for us to take voice for granted, it's easy for us to take the internet for granted, so what does it mean to bring internet to the next billion people?"
4:19AM "Who is the next billion? Who are these people?" They're probably very small, slightly cranky, enjoy being held by their mothers.
4:18AM "There is a lot more that we need to do. When we shifted our strategy we set out to connect the next billion people to the internet."
Petri
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This is as interesting as the iPhone 4S event was, so I'll just cut the crap:
Nokia Lumia 800
- Windows Phone 7.5 Mango
- 3.7" AMOLED ClearBlack display
- 1.4 Ghz processor
- Carl Zeiss optics
- About the same size as iPhone 4
- 16 GB internal storage
- 25 GB free SkyDrive cloud storage
- Available in black, cyan and magenta
- 420e plus taxes minus subsidies, slightly cheaper than iPhone 4S
- France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and UK in Nov 2011
- Hong Kong, India, Russia, Singapore and Taiwan Dec 2011
- Rest of the world 2012 (that includes US and Finland)
Nokia Lumia 710
- 270e plus taxes minus subsidies, pretty cheap
- Hong Kong, India, Russia, Singapore and Taiwan Dec 2011
- Rest of the world 2012 (that includes US and Finland)
Both include Nokia Drive, a free world-wide navigation software and Nokia Music, free mobile music streaming service.
Pretty much exactly what was expected.
Doesn't make the decision any easier. I tried the Nokia N9 Meego phone, physically pretty solid craftsmanship, beautiful display and when it comes to the phone internals, Nokia does know it's business.
I think my pre-ordered iPhone 4S should be available on friday if I want to buy it. No news yet for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus delivery dates.
Let's see what the reviews later today say.
Nokia Lumia 800
- Windows Phone 7.5 Mango
- 3.7" AMOLED ClearBlack display
- 1.4 Ghz processor
- Carl Zeiss optics
- About the same size as iPhone 4
- 16 GB internal storage
- 25 GB free SkyDrive cloud storage
- Available in black, cyan and magenta
- 420e plus taxes minus subsidies, slightly cheaper than iPhone 4S
- France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and UK in Nov 2011
- Hong Kong, India, Russia, Singapore and Taiwan Dec 2011
- Rest of the world 2012 (that includes US and Finland)
Nokia Lumia 710
- 270e plus taxes minus subsidies, pretty cheap
- Hong Kong, India, Russia, Singapore and Taiwan Dec 2011
- Rest of the world 2012 (that includes US and Finland)
Both include Nokia Drive, a free world-wide navigation software and Nokia Music, free mobile music streaming service.
Pretty much exactly what was expected.
Doesn't make the decision any easier. I tried the Nokia N9 Meego phone, physically pretty solid craftsmanship, beautiful display and when it comes to the phone internals, Nokia does know it's business.
I think my pre-ordered iPhone 4S should be available on friday if I want to buy it. No news yet for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus delivery dates.
Let's see what the reviews later today say.
Petri
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Remember Nissan Pajero?
lu·mia Feminine - Noun - Singular
Plural: lumias
whore, hooker, prostitute, street-walker, streetwalker; Synonyms: mujer de la calle, mundana, perdida, prostituta, puta, ramera, zorra; Mujer que trabaja ejerciendo la prostitución. ; Mujer perdida, de mala vida, prostituta, ramera.
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lu·mia Feminine - Noun - Singular
Plural: lumias
whore, hooker, prostitute, street-walker, streetwalker; Synonyms: mujer de la calle, mundana, perdida, prostituta, puta, ramera, zorra; Mujer que trabaja ejerciendo la prostitución. ; Mujer perdida, de mala vida, prostituta, ramera.
http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php
Petri
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The more detailed specs are finally on the web site.
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifications/
3.7" 480 x 800 AMOLED ClearBlack, curved class
(iPhone 4S: 3.5" 960x640)
116.5 mm x 61.2 mm x 12.1 mm, 142 g
(115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm, 140 g)
8 Megapixels Carl Zeiss Optics camera, f/2.2, dual LED flash
HSUPA Cat6 5.6 Mbps, HSDPA Cat1 14.4 Mbps
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
3G 850/900/1900/2100
(iPhone 4S the same)
Talk 9.5h 3G, 13h GSM, 265-335h stand-by (3G/GSM)
(talk 8h 3G, 14h GSM, 200h stand-by)
Nothing really that makes any difference. I'm a bit curious about the Windows Mango, though..
From the "where's the difference" point of view, Galaxy Nexus is actually the winner as it's not that much bigger but boasts a 4.65" 720p display. But it lacks e.g. with the camera.
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifications/
3.7" 480 x 800 AMOLED ClearBlack, curved class
(iPhone 4S: 3.5" 960x640)
116.5 mm x 61.2 mm x 12.1 mm, 142 g
(115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm, 140 g)
8 Megapixels Carl Zeiss Optics camera, f/2.2, dual LED flash
HSUPA Cat6 5.6 Mbps, HSDPA Cat1 14.4 Mbps
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
3G 850/900/1900/2100
(iPhone 4S the same)
Talk 9.5h 3G, 13h GSM, 265-335h stand-by (3G/GSM)
(talk 8h 3G, 14h GSM, 200h stand-by)
Nothing really that makes any difference. I'm a bit curious about the Windows Mango, though..
From the "where's the difference" point of view, Galaxy Nexus is actually the winner as it's not that much bigger but boasts a 4.65" 720p display. But it lacks e.g. with the camera.
Petri
Senior Insider
BBT said:
Hmmm, it's part of the display technology to get really black black's
http://www.symbiantweet.com/nokia-n9-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2-display-comparison
The phone itself is made with carved polycarbonate body, somewhat similar method to what Apple does with their unibody laptops from aluminium. The polycarbonate has been coloured through so even if you scratch it, you won't see much damage.
BBT
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from Forbes
Tero Kuittinen, Contributor
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TECH | 10/26/2011 @ 10:29AM
Nokia's New Windows Models Will Be a Big Marketing Challenge
Today, Nokia launched the two Windows models that were widely expected – Lumia 800 and Lumia 710.
Nokia did not announce the flagship model that is likely to arrive on April or later. Nor did it announce sub-200 euro Windows phones that could effectively compete for the low-end smartphone market where ZTE and Huawei are making substantial gains.
Thus the early Windows sales will have to be driven by models that do not feature cutting-edge technology, but are priced notably ambitiously. The Lumia 800 will cost more than 500 euros after taxes and before subsidies – that is $700 dollars for a device with roughly 9-12 month old specifications.
Let’s take a brief look at the marketing challenge of selling aging hardware at a premium price:
Lumia 800 features a 3.7 inch display – leading Android models moved to 4 to 4.5 inch display size some time ago.
Lumia 800 features pixel density of 250 ppi – about 80 below where new Apple, Samsung and HTC models are
Lumia 800 is 12 mm thick – about 40-70% thicker than the new wave of smartphones from Apple, Samsung and Motorola
Lumia 800 features only a single-core processor vs. the dual-core chips from rival high-end smartphones
Lumia 800 does not feature LTE support, a front-facing camera or NFC technology, which is now arriving to cutting-edge Android models
Of course, many of the leading smartphones have one or two major drawbacks. The new iPhone 4S features a rather small, 3.5 inch display. Most LTE models lack dual-core processors. Many of HTC models have a rather low pixel density.
But typically, these issues have clear offsets. The iPhone 4S balances the small display with very high pixel density. LTE models offer the new data transfer technology to offset the somewhat mediocre processing power. HTC’s low pixel density screens are big.
Nokia’s first wave of Windows phones are technologically outdated through and through – they will have to be sold purely on merits of design and software.
The design of the Lumia 800 is clearly a big leap forward for Nokia – the phone looks sleek and interesting, the curving glass distracting the consumer from the thickness of the device. The user interface is clean and logical – many operators in Europe maintain that consumers who give it a try end up really liking it.
But the marketing problem here is how to get consumers to give these new models a chance. Windows market share has crashed below 2% in the smartphone market despite recent waves of new model introductions of Samsung and HTC. The technological specifications of Nokia’s new Windows phones are so modest that they can only succeed if consumers are willing to pay a premium for a new UI experience and a novel hardware look.
This is not going to be a walk in the park even with a massive marketing blitz. Vendors almost never launch a new product family with mid-market devices. They almost always lead with a high-end device (Galaxy series from Samsung) or a very aggressively priced value product (Kindle Fire from Amazon will be its first real tablet device).
Leading with a pricey, but technologically underwhelming mid-market gadget simply isn’t done. But that is what Nokia must do to get a Windows model out by Christmas. The truly interesting. low-end Windows models won’t be tested in the market until spring. The risk here is that if the Lumia 800 and 710 disappoint, the media backlash could be considerable.
Tero Kuittinen, Contributor
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TECH | 10/26/2011 @ 10:29AM
Nokia's New Windows Models Will Be a Big Marketing Challenge
Today, Nokia launched the two Windows models that were widely expected – Lumia 800 and Lumia 710.
Nokia did not announce the flagship model that is likely to arrive on April or later. Nor did it announce sub-200 euro Windows phones that could effectively compete for the low-end smartphone market where ZTE and Huawei are making substantial gains.
Thus the early Windows sales will have to be driven by models that do not feature cutting-edge technology, but are priced notably ambitiously. The Lumia 800 will cost more than 500 euros after taxes and before subsidies – that is $700 dollars for a device with roughly 9-12 month old specifications.
Let’s take a brief look at the marketing challenge of selling aging hardware at a premium price:
Lumia 800 features a 3.7 inch display – leading Android models moved to 4 to 4.5 inch display size some time ago.
Lumia 800 features pixel density of 250 ppi – about 80 below where new Apple, Samsung and HTC models are
Lumia 800 is 12 mm thick – about 40-70% thicker than the new wave of smartphones from Apple, Samsung and Motorola
Lumia 800 features only a single-core processor vs. the dual-core chips from rival high-end smartphones
Lumia 800 does not feature LTE support, a front-facing camera or NFC technology, which is now arriving to cutting-edge Android models
Of course, many of the leading smartphones have one or two major drawbacks. The new iPhone 4S features a rather small, 3.5 inch display. Most LTE models lack dual-core processors. Many of HTC models have a rather low pixel density.
But typically, these issues have clear offsets. The iPhone 4S balances the small display with very high pixel density. LTE models offer the new data transfer technology to offset the somewhat mediocre processing power. HTC’s low pixel density screens are big.
Nokia’s first wave of Windows phones are technologically outdated through and through – they will have to be sold purely on merits of design and software.
The design of the Lumia 800 is clearly a big leap forward for Nokia – the phone looks sleek and interesting, the curving glass distracting the consumer from the thickness of the device. The user interface is clean and logical – many operators in Europe maintain that consumers who give it a try end up really liking it.
But the marketing problem here is how to get consumers to give these new models a chance. Windows market share has crashed below 2% in the smartphone market despite recent waves of new model introductions of Samsung and HTC. The technological specifications of Nokia’s new Windows phones are so modest that they can only succeed if consumers are willing to pay a premium for a new UI experience and a novel hardware look.
This is not going to be a walk in the park even with a massive marketing blitz. Vendors almost never launch a new product family with mid-market devices. They almost always lead with a high-end device (Galaxy series from Samsung) or a very aggressively priced value product (Kindle Fire from Amazon will be its first real tablet device).
Leading with a pricey, but technologically underwhelming mid-market gadget simply isn’t done. But that is what Nokia must do to get a Windows model out by Christmas. The truly interesting. low-end Windows models won’t be tested in the market until spring. The risk here is that if the Lumia 800 and 710 disappoint, the media backlash could be considerable.
Petri
Senior Insider
Tero usually knows his stuff but he is also known for his bias against Nokia.
For example he says "... they can only succeed if consumers are willing to pay a premium ..." but perhaps he should check that for example Vodafone UK charges £169 for iPhone 4S 16GB and £31/month. The same service is £31/month and a free Nokia Lumia 800. The Lumia is not priced at premium as it's not the flagship phone yet -- they are pushing it as a free alternative to the flagship Androids and iPhones.
Overall the new Windows phones from Nokia seem to have been received pretty well but for example their delivery schedule to different countries is pretty disappointing.
No doubt Nokia could have done a lot better hardware but I think Windows Mobile as an OS is the limiting factor. Just like Apple has managed to work with Intel to get advanced access to things, hopefully Nokia has managed to get a priority access to Windows Mobile OS at Microsoft as well. (Nokia still manufactures a million phones a day.. I'm not worried about Nokia hardware)
One could also say that Nokia is Microsoft Mobile's last hope. 2012-2013 will tell how things turn out.
I think the big problem with Tero's approach is specs (my approach in earlier messages had the same problem). One size does not fit all. One of the reasons I haven't tried Windows Mobile yet is that the phones in the market are super boring. Android has very similar problem, you can't tell the Galaxies apart from each other. One of the big reasons why I'm thinking about the 800 is that it's different.
From design point of view, a black Lumia 800 does look better than either iPhone 4S or Galaxy Nexus.
For example he says "... they can only succeed if consumers are willing to pay a premium ..." but perhaps he should check that for example Vodafone UK charges £169 for iPhone 4S 16GB and £31/month. The same service is £31/month and a free Nokia Lumia 800. The Lumia is not priced at premium as it's not the flagship phone yet -- they are pushing it as a free alternative to the flagship Androids and iPhones.
Overall the new Windows phones from Nokia seem to have been received pretty well but for example their delivery schedule to different countries is pretty disappointing.
No doubt Nokia could have done a lot better hardware but I think Windows Mobile as an OS is the limiting factor. Just like Apple has managed to work with Intel to get advanced access to things, hopefully Nokia has managed to get a priority access to Windows Mobile OS at Microsoft as well. (Nokia still manufactures a million phones a day.. I'm not worried about Nokia hardware)
One could also say that Nokia is Microsoft Mobile's last hope. 2012-2013 will tell how things turn out.
I think the big problem with Tero's approach is specs (my approach in earlier messages had the same problem). One size does not fit all. One of the reasons I haven't tried Windows Mobile yet is that the phones in the market are super boring. Android has very similar problem, you can't tell the Galaxies apart from each other. One of the big reasons why I'm thinking about the 800 is that it's different.
From design point of view, a black Lumia 800 does look better than either iPhone 4S or Galaxy Nexus.
Petri
Senior Insider
.. other detail is that the phone isn't really built by Nokia but by a contract (ODM) manufacturer Compal in Taiwan. Compal has made products for Apple in the past but nowadays your Acer, Dell, Toshiba or HP laptop is probably made by them.
Compal also makes the Motorola phones (in the US, Motorola is pretty much gone in Europe).
That also explains why Nokia's own N9 Meego phone has better specs than the physically very similar Lumia 800 Windows Phone. The internals have been spec'd by Compal.
Perhaps I should draw a graph how my interest on the iPhone 4S, Galaxy Nexus and Nokia 800 goes up and down every day
Compal also makes the Motorola phones (in the US, Motorola is pretty much gone in Europe).
That also explains why Nokia's own N9 Meego phone has better specs than the physically very similar Lumia 800 Windows Phone. The internals have been spec'd by Compal.
Perhaps I should draw a graph how my interest on the iPhone 4S, Galaxy Nexus and Nokia 800 goes up and down every day
Petri
Senior Insider
BBT said:
We used to have a MultiSIM service where you could have up to five SIM cards for the same subscription. I think they dropped it because people misused it -- you could give the extra SIM cards to your friends and share one uncapped mobile data with friends..
Outgoing calls work from every phone (shows the same number on called id), incoming calls ring on all the phones that are turned on.
One can still buy a "plus" mobile data subscription to your ordinary subscription, for a few euros a month you get a second SIM that you can use e.g. on your iPad. So instead of paying for two data subscriptions for smart phone and iPad, you pay just one and a little bit more.
BBT
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One can still buy a "plus" mobile data subscription to your ordinary subscription, for a few euros a month you get a second SIM that you can use e.g. on your iPad. So instead of paying for two data subscriptions for smart phone and iPad, you pay just one and a little bit more
Nice idea
Nice idea
