18 years of visiting. Why does everything have to be a party?

heelhoo

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Have been listening to Toiny Hotel’s weekly Thursday party for the last hour and am told they will bass out the entire side of the island for another three to four hours. This club music is louder than anything I have ever encountered living in NYC for the last 15 years. Which begs the question - why do we find it necessary to make everything a party? Why can’t I just relax with the sound of the ocean and wind at night? They are literally hosting a rave concert a few hundred yards away and torturing their guests to it whether they want it or not. Police would be called for a noise violation in any other situation.
 
My impression is it’s not a Saint-Barth thing specifically but a broad generational shift in tastes and culture.
Totally agree! I haven’t attended the Thursday night event since last season, when it was quite mellow. I don’t “get” the “rave concert” thing & am saddened to read of the infringement on local serenity.
 
I get what is looking like the new St. Barth. Everything on line seems to be what is the new and greatest party lunch or dinner place. Troubling for sure. However, still visiting next July. Looking, searching and wait for it…finding the serenity that we have experienced since 1987. That can never be lost. We just have to scrape the surface a bit more. See you on the beach…
 
I get what is looking like the new St. Barth. Everything on line seems to be what is the new and greatest party lunch or dinner place. Troubling for sure. However, still visiting next July. Looking, searching and wait for it…finding the serenity that we have experienced since 1987. That can never be lost. We just have to scrape the surface a bit more. See you on the beach…
I used to absolutely love the Yacht Club. I loved it so much. I never got off the dance floor. It didn't matter if I was dancing with some rich guy coming off a yacht, or the guy who washed the dishes at the restaurant I was at that night. It was open to all and it was so much fun. And sometimes I just danced alone on the dance floor. It was hot and sweaty and smokey. Sure, there was some pressure to get bottle service, but it didn't matter if you didn't. I remember leaving at closing time disgustingly sweaty and smelling of smoke (I don't smoke) but it didn't matter.

My little foray to Bagatelle on Saturday night (because my compatriots wanted to go) wasn't nearly as much fun. First, yes, I'm older. But also, the music is awful, thump thump thump. Plus, it's filled with that self importance of "look at me, I just spent $1000 for champagne," with that contrived pomp of the delivery of the bottle. It's forced gaiety, not real joyful abandon, like even the old Le Ti was.

But you can happily spend a vacation on St B without any of it. That's a bummer to stay at Le Toiny, that oasis of elegance and have to deal with the banging sound of electronic music, but otherwise, it's easy to avoid it and just enjoy all of the other things the island has to offer. You don't even need to go to any of the St Tropez type restaurants, there's enough other ones to enjoy.
 
Totally agree! I haven’t attended the Thursday night event since last season, when it was quite mellow. I don’t “get” the “rave concert” thing & am saddened to read of the infringement on local serenity.
It is maybe dependent on whom they have as a guest performer.
 
I used to absolutely love the Yacht Club. I loved it so much. I never got off the dance floor. It didn't matter if I was dancing with some rich guy coming off a yacht, or the guy who washed the dishes at the restaurant I was at that night. It was open to all and it was so much fun. And sometimes I just danced alone on the dance floor. It was hot and sweaty and smokey. Sure, there was some pressure to get bottle service, but it didn't matter if you didn't. I remember leaving at closing time disgustingly sweaty and smelling of smoke (I don't smoke) but it didn't matter.

My little foray to Bagatelle on Saturday night (because my compatriots wanted to go) wasn't nearly as much fun. First, yes, I'm older. But also, the music is awful, thump thump thump. Plus, it's filled with that self importance of "look at me, I just spent $1000 for champagne," with that contrived pomp of the delivery of the bottle. It's forced gaiety, not real joyful abandon, like even the old Le Ti was.

But you can happily spend a vacation on St B without any of it. That's a bummer to stay at Le Toiny, that oasis of elegance and have to deal with the banging sound of electronic music, but otherwise, it's easy to avoid it and just enjoy all of the other things the island has to offer. You don't even need to go to any of the St Tropez type restaurants, there's enough other ones to enjoy.
Totally agree. I remember going to Le Select on a Saturday night back in the 80’s when they had a band every once in a while. We would be dancing after dinner. Not knowing if the people dancing next to us were the people that serviced the yachts or owned the yachts. Bagatelle, is not on our list anymore. Bummer one of the great views on the island. Plus agreed there are always enough others to enjoy. Cheryl & I will be visiting in July. If you are there please let’s get together. Agreed…it doesn’t matter!
 
Twenty-two years visiting for me, and, yup, everything (almost) on SBH is now a party.

We attended the Le Toiny Beach Spectacular in 2024 and loved the show and dining oceanside. And so, I booked again for our most recent trip, requesting a waterfront table months in advance. When we arrived, we were informed a beachside table required bottle service or a bottle of champagne, such as Dom Pérignon. My daughter mentioned earlier that she wanted to buy champagne for our dinner, so I politely declined the Dom. We were seated at a beautiful table one away from the water and waited (and waited) for the show to continue after the initial fire act. Our waitress informed us that the show was replaced by music and a party. We ended up leaving at 10-10:30 before things got too loud as it was a travel day and we had been awake since 3 a.m. (For anyone wondering, the wireless credit card machines now prompt you for a tip and we were informed that tips were not included in the bill. )

Our evening at Le Toiny started with splendid cocktails at the lovely poolside bar at the top of the hotel. Adding to our visit, Charles (the owner) stopped at each table to welcome guests,

My daughter and her husband dine at Le Toiny every year for their special "date night." I always grin thinking they are the next generation Amy and Phil and John and Susie.
 
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