WinAir Debacle

stbartshopper

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Before I start the story on our recentjourney from Indianapolis to St. Barhtelemy, here is a little introon some details we learned about WinAir. We were told the airlinerecently went into default and was taken over by the Dutch governmentwho now owns and runs the company. I asked one of our pilots takingus from SBH to SXM what he thinks of the new management. He asked meto come to the cockpit and showed me his roll of duct tape and wherehe and others have 'duct taped' various things together in thecockpit and other areas of the plane. Through the closed stairspassengers enter, one can see daylight but as we do not fly in highaltitudes, this is apparently not a concern. To be fair, WinAir doeshave new planes as well that seem to be in very good condition andhave an excellent safety record.


For winter weather reasons, we alwaysfly the night before our departure to St. Maarten to Charlotte wherewe spend the night. The trip on Fri., Feb 3, was uneventful as wasthe AA trip to SXM from CLT on Sat., Feb 4. Our baggage arrivedquickly in SXM. There was a WinAir person waiting for us at thetransit counter where we quickly checked our baggage to SBH. Itlooked as though we were going to be able to catch an earlier flightas our AA flight arrived early. 'Things though were going too well' Itold my wife.


We went up to our 'favorite' gate- C1-and asked if we could switch to an earlier flight and were told thatall flights were fully booked. There were a lot of WinAir passengerswaiting to go to SBH standing around. After a while we realized theyhad been delayed. We noticed that all other SBH bound WinAir flightswere posted on the departures screen except ours? We asked at C1 andthey told us not to pay attention to the screen.


After several hours, it was beginningto get near 5PM and we were getting concerned, knowing the SBHairport shuts at just before sunset. There was then a garbledannouncement from C1 stating that three of the SBH bound WinAirflights had been cancelled and all passengers on those flights weregoing to be booked on the Ferry. An announcement was then made thatthe passengers on our flight were going to be flown to SBH and thatwe 'are the lucky ones.' They allowed us to go down the stairs wherewe waited and watched the sun set as we stood there. I told my wifewe were going to take the ferry as well. She remained optimisti****il WinAir personnel confirmed my belief. We were told WinAir was'putting' us on the fast ferry. Transport cars were arranged and wewere all literally 'dumped' at the ferry terminal. The WinAir peoplecollected our boarding passes and left us to fend for ourselves.


We were not sure whether or not we weregoing to make it to the island that evening. Hotel rooms at theWestin in town were going for $600 plus per night. Finally around 7PMish, after purchasing two tickets for 141 Euros, we got on the ferryand left for SXM. The trip was about an hour and the seas were roughwith lots of seasickness, including my beloved. We hired a taxi toMayas for dinner and were able to collect our bags at the airport thefollowing day.


We spoke with Rodrig, who worked forWinAir, and now works with Sabine, at St. Barth Services in SBH. Helooked at our WinAir itinerary and just shook his head. The WinAirSXM personnel had put in their records that the flight we were bookedon took off as planned and delivered all of us on time- not true. Hetold us that WinAir was doing these kinds of things more frequently.Odile, at Gumbs Car Rental, warned us to reconfirm our WinAir flightsback as she said she has been having clients who have had to waithours and even a day or longer before WinAir could get them back toSXM and/or lost their reservations with increasing frequency.


On the day of our return, Sat., Feb.18, the SBH WinAir personnel could not have been nicer. They put uson an earlier flight back to SXM and waved the excess baggage fee forexceeding 50lbs as did AA in SXM. They told us the WinAir SXMpersonnel were 'rude' to them and often did not answer their queries.They wished us luck in attempting to recover either our ferry or theWinAir flight cost (or both?- LOL) but were not optimistic.


Needless to say for both safety reasonsand the disorganization of WinAir we observed, it will be FAAcertified Tradewinds on a Pilatus from now on. My wife said she neverwants to see the C1 counter again. As a side note, we asked in SXM,why the flights had been cancelled. The explanation we received was-'We don't know. An aircraft was made unavailable due to maintenancereasons. Maybe a bird hit it and therefore it needed to beinspected.'


What are your WinAir stories?
 
three words.....St Barths Commuter

they just ( yesterday ) gave me, once again, extraordinary above and beyond customer service which I will detail in my trip report in a few months...

and they always do......this was not a first..

personally I am not going to pay significantly more money to take significantly longer to get to my destination with Tradewinds, just to fly on a nicer plane and get some champagne, while having to deal with SJU airport...that math equation just doesnt add up in my head.....getting their as seamlessly and quickly as possible is how I define luxury....YMMV
 
Yikes...that's very disconcerting to hear. Sorry you had to endure the ferry ride and the inconvenience. Knock on wood, we've always had a decent experience with WinAir but from the sound of it we may not when we head down in April. Not good.
 
SBC as well.

However, on our return leg in December, someone came in the departure area and bought out our flight while we were minutes from boarding.

We had to wait about 45 minutes for it to go and come back.

A woman with 3 kids.

Life is good, huh?
 
Not good news. We always take SBC, but they are booked and I was trying to decide between Winair and the ferry for our April trip. I have no idea what to do now. There are three of us. Any one want to split a charter on the afternoon of April 11 SXM to SBH--or a return on the 17th? I really don't want to take the ferry. I guess we may just taxi over to Grand case for that late flight. I hate to waste the 4 hours, though. Thank you for the update.
 
Seen lots of duct tape on SBc flights. It's almost charming.
My daughter has something she does on roller coasters that she thinks is funny (others do not find it funny!) that someone with a sense of humor and a very mean streak may want to try on these planes. Just as the ride is about to begin she holds up an old rusty bolt that she brings with her and says out loud with a little "false fear" in her voice and for others to hear "Is this supposed to be like this?". Yes...she takes after her Father:wink2:
 
Sometimes it takes lots of duct tape to get a plane in the air.
Airplane post duct tape.jpg
 
yeah but they glide and the water is warm.....

and you can survive a two prop trip and get hit by a car an hour later...

living in fear aint living :D
 
My daughter has something she does on roller coasters that she thinks is funny (others do not find it funny!) that someone with a sense of humor and a very mean streak may want to try on these planes. Just as the ride is about to begin she holds up an old rusty bolt that she brings with her and says out loud with a little "false fear" in her voice and for others to hear "Is this supposed to be like this?". Yes...she takes after her Father:wink2:

I like your daughter, Jim. :up:
 
I like the WinAir schedule with more choices for flight times than the other airlines, but after I book my flight, I then book my arrival/departure assistance with PREMIUM IV!!! We never travel without this. It's nice when we don't need their assistance but boy when we do...... I can't tell you the times they have bailed us out when flight problems happen. These guys are fabulous. It's a small price to pay for an insurance policy that comes in the form of some super nice guys with lots of tricks up their sleeves.
 
We've always flown Winair. Until recently SBC''s schedules were too restrictive, plus we could check bags through via USAir. Of course, the last part has changed! This trip we are flying here and back on Wednesday, which I'm hoping makes life easier. Coming down on Feb. 8 was no worries. Picked up bags in SXM and easily rechecked at Winair desk. Zero line at security. Left 1 1/2 hours earlier than our booked flight. Bags arrived as we did. Likely our return next Wednesday will be less smooth, but our destination--Virginia--is less critical to achieve than SBH :cool:
 
Over the last several years, we had to take WinAir twice because SBC wasn't available at the times we needed. Both times WinAir was late leaving SBH, causing us to almost miss our connection on one trip, and miss our connection on another trip. No such issues with SBC.
 
We've always used WinAir, but also the services of Premium IV which means we never have to deal with the WinAir counter. Had no issues in December and are using them again for our trip next week. Was about to book tickets for this December, but this post has me considering SBC for the first time. Didn't realize WinAir had financial issues.
 
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