Hôtel L'Étoile

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the former émeraude, future étoile continues to face administrative hurdles in its quest for permission to begin construction. as one can imagine, given the fragile nature of the bay and its reef and the extraordinary financial stakes for the uber-privileged location, the com is being very, very careful in its analysis of the environmental impacts of the highly technical construction itself as well as the structures' likely survivability in the face of inevitable future storms.
 
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HE CESCE GIVES A NEW UNFAVORABLE OPINION ON L’ ETOILE, THE FUTURE HOTEL IN THE BAY OF SAINT-JEAN
by V.A 04/11/2020
The future Emeraude Plage is back. A modification permit has been submitted so that the project takes into account the criticisms formulated, in particular with less heavy construction on the beach side, and technical details given on the progress of the work. CESCE has consulted the new impact study for this future hotel, L’Etoile, and has given a second unfavorable opinion.


A modification permit has been filed for the future Emeraude Plage, which will be called L’Etoile, for consideration by the Executive Council. The project's impact study was once again reviewed by the Economic, Social, Cultural and Environmental Council, which published its opinion on October 1.
The document in question underlines "the advanced degradation of the ecosystem of the bay of Saint-Jean and the coral reef", and notes the need for L’Etoile to "support the restoration of the coral reefs to restore the ecosystem".


Erosion and scour

A riprap system has been added, notes the CESCE, which considers the device "very light" in relation to the risk of cyclones. While admitting that the very technical explanation is difficult for advisers to interpret; The institution therefore requests a modeling of sand movements in Saint-Jean to "better understand the risks of beach erosion". Regarding the period of excavations for the construction of the underground car park under the sand, which particularly worried the CESCE, the consulting firm also detailed the techniques that will be used. This is a process called "jet grouting," or "the high pressure injection of cement grout into vertical boreholes. There is a perimeter belt of columns 10 meters high. " The aim is to stabilize the ground during the works to avoid any risk of subsidence of the surrounding soil. “The CESCE draws the attention of the Collectivity to the risks of this technique, mainly with regard to the treatment of the enormous volume of cement grout discharges on the surface (from 5 to 50 m3 per 10m column). . This technique provides for the installation of a waste treatment and storage area (basins, tanks, etc.). "The institution stresses that" the impact study does not specify the location assigned to these facilities requiring a large space. Given the surface area of ​​the excavated land, it goes without saying that the treatment of the tailings cannot be carried out on the project base. "
Finally, the issue of seepage water evacuation was also clarified, in these terms: "The mine water is pumped and directed to settling ponds. Once settled, this water will be sent to seepage pits on the project's base. The quality of the water before discharge and in front of the plot will be checked by a laboratory. The results will be made available to the public. Despite the details given on these technical points, the CESCE regrets the "little change" and therefore confirms its unfavorable opinion on this project. He concludes: “If the studies describe an interesting protection process, and undoubtedly effective for common hazards, the CESCE expresses all reservations about their effectiveness during future cyclones which will inevitably face the shores of Saint-Barthélemy. He encouraged the Community to request a further study with computer modeling of the effects of the sea, and suggested that it seek the advice of specialist engineers. The CESCE also draws the attention of the Collectivity to the consequences of the pumping techniques necessary for carrying out the earthworks and advises it to request additional information concerning the treatment of cement discharges and mine water, in particular their plan. implantation. "
The landscape aspect is quickly evoked: “If the amending project foresees“ only ”3 buildings of 1 floor on the beach, the fact remains that these constructions will undermine the coherence of the natural and urban landscape of The area. "


Attacked by St Barth
Essential and Eden Rock

The building permit for the future Etoile hotel has been the subject of several appeals before the administrative court. Two summary suspension (emergency proceedings aimed at stopping the site due to irregularities), filed by the Saint-Barth Essentiel association and by the neighboring hotel, Eden Rock, were challenged by the administrative court. The validity of the building permit is now being examined on the merits by the courts, again, on two requests from Eden Rock and Saint-Barth Essentiel. A petition calling for the downward revision of the project had obtained 2,700 signatures.
 
remember a few years ago when we were chatting about the rumor that this hotel was in the process of being sold? eventually the truth came out, and the rumor was true.

I think Eden Rock also was interested in purchasing this property at the time.
 
Yes, I remember that. I also remember the Essential has been very critical of ER. But I guess in the end, the enemy of my enemy is my friend!
 
Cheryl and I will always have fond memories of Emaruade Plage. We began our history there the year after Filao was destroyed. EP property in was no way as pristine as Filao. Even their umbrellas looked shaggy in comparison. However the management and staff were unsurpassed in their vibe and professionalism. It will be interesting to see what finally arises on their ruins.
 
well, read this yourself and see if you disagree. sounds very thorough to me.
LE CESCE REND UN NOUVEL AVIS DÉFAVORABLE SUR L’ETOILE, FUTUR HÔTEL DE LA BAIE DE SAINT-JEAN


par V.A
04/11/2020

Le futur Emeraude Plage est de retour. Un permis modificatif a été déposé pour que le projet tienne compte des critiques formulées, avec notamment une construction moins lourde côté plage, et des précisions techniques données sur le déroulement des travaux. Le CESCE a consulté la nouvelle étude d’impact de ce futur hôtel, L’Etoile, et donné un second avis défavorable. Un permis modificatif a été déposé pour le futur Emeraude Plage, qui s’appellera L’Etoile, pour examen par le conseil exécutif. L’étude d’impact du projet a été une nouvelle fois étudiée par le Conseil économique, social, culturel et environnemental, qui a publié son avis le 1er octobre.
Le document en question souligne « la dégradation avancée de l’écosystème de la baie de Saint-Jean et du récif corallien », et note la nécessité pour L’Etoile de « soutenir la restauration des massifs coralliens pour rétablir l’écosystème ».Erosion et affouillement
Un système d’enrochement a été ajouté, constate le CESCE, qui juge le dispositif « très léger » par rapport au risque cyclonique. Tout en admettant que l’explication très technique est difficile à interpréter pour les conseillers ; l’institution demande donc une modélisation des mouvements de sable à Saint-Jean pour « mieux appréhender les risques d’érosion de la plage». Concernant la période de fouilles pour la construction du parking souterrain sous le sable, qui inquiétait particulièrement le CESCE, le cabinet d’étude a aussi détaillé les techniques qui seront utilisées. Il s’agit d’un procédé appelé “jet grouting”, soit «l’injection sous haute pression de coulis de ciment dans des forages verticaux. Il est prévu une ceinture périmétrique de colonnes d’une hauteur de 10 mètres de haut.» Le but est de stabiliser le terrain pendant les travaux pour éviter tout risque d’affaissement des sols alentours. «Le CESCE attire l’attention de la Collectivité sur les risques de cette technique, principalement, en ce qui concerne le traitement de l’énorme volume des rejets de coulis de ciment en surface (de 5 à 50 m3 par colonne de 10m.). Cette technique prévoit l’installation d’une zone de traitement et de stockage des rejets (bassins, cuves, etc.). » L’institution souligne que « l’étude d’impact ne précise pas l’emplacement attribué à ces installations nécessitant un grand espace. Compte tenu de la surface du terrain excavée, il va sans dire que le traitement des rejets ne pourra pas être réalisé sur le terrain d’assiette du projet. »
Enfin, la question de l’évacuation des eaux d’infiltration a aussi été précisée, en ces termes : « Les eaux d’exhaure sont pompées et dirigées vers des bassins de décantation. Une fois décantées, ces eaux seront envoyées dans des fosses d’infiltration sur le terrain d’assiette du projet. La qualité de l'eau avant rejet et devant la parcelle sera contrôlée par un laboratoire. Les résultats seront mis à la disposition du public. » Malgré les détails donnés sur ces points techniques, le CESCE regrette le « peu de changement » et par conséquent il confirme son avis défavorable sur ce projet. Il conclut : « Si les études décrivent un procédé de protection intéressant, et sans doute efficace pour des aléas courants, le CESCE émet toutes réserves sur leur efficacité lors des cyclones à venir auxquels seront confrontés inévitablement les rivages de Saint-Barthélemy. Il encourage la Collectivité à demander un complément d’étude avec une modélisation informatique des effets de la mer, et lui suggère de s’entourer des conseils d’ingénieurs spécialisés. Le CESCE attire également l’attention de la Collectivité sur les conséquences des techniques de pompage nécessaires à la réalisation des terrassements et lui conseille de solliciter un complément d’informations concernant le traitement des rejets de ciment et des eaux d’exhaure, notamment leur plan d’implantation. »
L’aspect paysager est rapidement évoqué : « Si le projet modificatif ne prévoit “plus que” 3 bâtiments de 1 étage en bord de plage, il n’en demeure pas moins que ces constructions porteront atteinte à la cohérence du paysage naturel et urbain de la zone. »
 
The future Emeraude Plage is back.

A modification permit has been submitted so that the project takes into account the criticisms formulated, in particular with less heavy construction on the beach side, and technical details given on the progress of the work. CESCE consulted the new impact study for this future hotel, L’Etoile, and gave a second unfavorable opinion. A modification permit has been filed for the future Emeraude Plage, which will be called L’Etoile, for consideration by the Executive Council. The project's impact study was once again reviewed by the Economic, Social, Cultural and Environmental Council, which published its opinion on October 1.

The document in question underlines “the advanced degradation of the ecosystem of the bay of Saint-Jean and of the coral reef”, and notes the need for L'Etoile to “support the restoration of coral reefs to restore the ecosystem”. and scour

A riprap system has been added, notes the CESCE, which considers the device "very light" in relation to the risk of cyclones. While admitting that the very technical explanation is difficult for advisers to interpret; the institution therefore requests a modeling of sand movements in Saint-Jean to "better understand the risks of beach erosion".


Regarding the period of excavations for the construction of the underground car park under the sand, which particularly worried the CESCE, the consulting firm also detailed the techniques that will be used. This is a process called "jet grouting", or "the high pressure injection of cement grout into vertical boreholes.

There is a perimeter belt of columns 10 meters high. " The aim is to stabilize the ground during the works to avoid any risk of subsidence of the surrounding soil. “The CESCE draws the Community's attention to the risks of this technique, mainly with regard to the treatment of the enormous volume of cement grout discharges on the surface (from 5 to 50 m3 per 10m column). . This technique provides for the installation of a waste treatment and storage area (basins, tanks, etc.). "The institution stresses that" the impact study does not specify the location assigned to these facilities requiring a large space. Given the surface area of ​​the excavated land, it goes without saying that the treatment of the tailings cannot be carried out on the project base. "

Finally, the issue of seepage water evacuation was also clarified, in these terms: "The mine water is pumped and directed to settling basins. Once settled, this water will be sent to infiltration pits on the project's base. The quality of the water before discharge and in front of the plot will be checked by a laboratory. The results will be made available to the public.

”Despite the details given on these technical points, the CESCE regrets the“ little change ”and therefore confirms its unfavorable opinion on this project. He concludes: “If the studies describe an interesting protection process, and undoubtedly effective for common hazards, the CESCE expresses all reservations about their effectiveness during future cyclones which will inevitably face the shores of Saint-Barthélemy.

He encouraged the Community to request a further study with computer modeling of the effects of the sea, and suggested that it seek the advice of specialized engineers. The CESCE also draws the attention of the Collectivity to the consequences of the pumping techniques necessary for carrying out the earthworks and advises it to request additional information concerning the treatment of cement discharges and mine water, in particular their plan. implantation. "

The landscape aspect is quickly evoked: “If the amending project foresees“ only ”3 buildings of 1 floor on the beach, the fact remains that these constructions will undermine the coherence of the natural and urban landscape of The area. "
 
well, read this yourself and see if you disagree. sounds very thorough to me.
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Let me rephrase it. Their environmental analysis may be very thorough, but so will the environmental degradation and destruction. No beach and no environmental situation was ever improved by shoe horning an oversized hotel into a tiny space.

This just another example of the COM putting the all mighty Euro in front of every other consideration. See the restaurant and pool in the Toiny "natural area" as another example.
 
Let me rephrase it. Their environmental analysis may be very thorough, but so will the environmental degradation and destruction. No beach and no environmental situation was ever improved by shoe horning an oversized hotel into a tiny space.

This just another example of the COM putting the all mighty Euro in front of every other consideration. See the restaurant and pool in the Toiny "natural area" as another example.
All I know is that is one of the best beach/restaurant hangout for the day spots on the island.
 
Thanks Kevin, that's what I thought. Then again, since defiling natural areas is the new normal, I wouldn't have been surprised if Toiny put in a weir or a seawall to tame the waves. :biglaugh:
 
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