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Thread: Orthography Question

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    cassidain is offline
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    Orthography Question

    I’ve noticed that some of us are wont to spell Lorient as “L’orient”

    Just wondering where that comes from.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    Belief it is correct as in L’Esprit. I don’t know why, just a guess.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    It’s Lorient on all the maps that I can see


    Andy

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by amyb View Post
    Belief it is correct as in L’Esprit. I don’t know why, just a guess.
    from the Wiki:

    Concerning the city of Lorient in Western France

    Attestée sous la forme Lorient en 1670.Le nom de la ville provient de celui du Soleil de l'Orient, premier navire construit dans les chantiers de la Compagnie des Indes en 1669. Les ouvriers ont donné au chantier le nom du navire qui, par contraction, est devenu rapidement « L'Orient ». Le lieu conservera ce nom qui deviendra Lorient[24].

    Perhaps original settlers came from Lorient ? Even so, it’s been “Lorient” since the seventeenth century.
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    amyb is online now
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    Re: Orthography Question

    I have seen this spelling pop up different times...I have no idea why that happens. Maybe now with directional arrows popping up hither, thither and yon, the correct spelling will take hold.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    The spelling was "L'Orient" 'til sometime around turn of the Century (or later). I always used the L'Orient spelling until Ellen advised that the apostrophe had been dropped in local usage.

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Class: tomorrow’s lesson will be GOUVERNEUR
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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by amyb View Post
    Class: tomorrow’s lesson will be GOUVERNEUR


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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by andynap View Post
    It’s Lorient on all the maps that I can see
    Maps also seem to indicate Gouverneur
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    andynap is online now
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    Re: Orthography Question

    How about Colombier (Columbier)?


    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    Maps also seem to indicate Gouverneur
    I suspect that the name will be whatever Roman Abramovich wants it to be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cec1 View Post
    I suspect that the name will be whatever Roman Abramovich wants it to be!
    I think that’s what Groupe Barrière thought about Shell Beach . . .
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    Re: Orthography Question

    St. Barts and St. Barth-

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    Re: Orthography Question

    That too.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    OK, here's a good one. How do you pronounce Moet (and Chandon).

    Three part question:

    1) How do you pronounce Moet?

    2) Why is pronounced this way?

    3) Why was Chandon added to the name of the Champagne?

    The winner gets, hmmm, not sure what the winner gets?

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    Re: Orthography Question

    If you're a Queen fan then you pronounce Moët as Mow-ay, as in "She keeps her Moët and Chandon in a pretty cabinet". The correct pronunciation is Mow-ett, and yes, I know why, but I'll leave room for someone else to play.

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by sxmbeachlover View Post
    OK, here's a good one. How do you pronounce Moet (and Chandon).

    Three part question:

    1) How do you pronounce Moet?

    2) Why is pronounced this way?

    3) Why was Chandon added to the name of the Champagne?

    The winner gets, hmmm, not sure what the winner gets?
    I believe I remember that Chandon married into the Moet family...oui? Mid 1970's, if memory serves me. I'll wait to go to the Google for facts.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    And I just learned that they hid French Resistance fighters, munitions and arms in their cellars in Champagne during WWII.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    And then there's Le Fouquet's in Paris, soon to be St Barths...doesn't rhyme with 'bouquet.'

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    Re: Orthography Question

    How does one pronounce ‘bouilloire’
    Please spell the way it is said phonetically.

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by stbartshopper View Post
    How does one pronounce ‘bouilloire’
    Please spell the way it is said phonetically.

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinS View Post
    If you're a Queen fan then you pronounce Moët as Mow-ay, as in "She keeps her Moët and Chandon in a pretty cabinet". The correct pronunciation is Mow-ett, and yes, I know why, but I'll leave room for someone else to play.
    Very interesting, Kevin . . . I didn’t know that it’s Mow-ett. Do tell why!

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by cec1 View Post
    Very interesting, Kevin . . . I didn’t know that it’s Mow-ett. Do tell why!
    Monsieur Moët, while French, had a Dutch “nom de famille”. French pronunciation rules don’t apply.

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Always thought it was Mo-aaa- a rhymes with hay

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinS View Post
    Monsieur Moët, while French, had a Dutch “nom de famille”. French pronunciation rules don’t apply.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxBncfGXcnE

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Mowett it is!

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    Re: Orthography Question

    How about Cristal Champagne? At Nikki and Le Ti they say ‘chris stall’ not like the English crystal ‘chris tull.’ Either way the price for it is way beyond us!

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    Re: Orthography Question

    Quote Originally Posted by stbartshopper View Post
    How about Cristal Champagne? At Nikki and Le Ti they say ‘chris stall’ not like the English crystal ‘chris tull.’
    well, they're French and it's a French word. in French, syllables are broken differently than in English.

    the syllables general end on the vowel sound, not the consonant sound.

    so Kree - stal. not Kris - tal. plus, French has much less accentuation of syllables than in French. so Kree and stal are equally accentuated versus the heavy accentuation of Kris in English.
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    Re: Orthography Question

    Such a good group here at SBH! Yes, it is pronounced Mow-ett because they are of Dutch decent, making Champagne in, well, Champagne. And yes he married a Chandon. Class dismissed!!!!

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    Re: Orthography Question

    I feel like I should leave apples on the desk of the great teachers of this forum. Merci, all!
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