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    Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    A google translation of this week's front page news for Le Journal:

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    CESCE CONCERNS OVER THE FUTURE EMERAUDE PLAGE
    by V.A 05/12/2019

    The CESCE (Cultural, Environmental and Social Economic Council) has given an unfavorable opinion concerning the demolition and reconstruction of the hotel Emeraude Plage on the beach of Saint-Jean, recently bought by Le Barthélemy.

    A big building project is looming on the beach of Saint-Jean. The tiled buildings of the Emeraude Plage hotel, bought by Le Barthélemy, must be completely demolished. The site will host a brand new establishment of twenty keys, with underground parking under the beach.

    Asked by the Community, the Economic, Social, Cultural and Environmental Council of Saint-Barthélemy opposes the project as it was presented in a notice published last week on its website. The institution fears "negative and irreversible consequences on the environment. "

    Excavation Problem

    First, CESCE is concerned about the technical aspects. The project leader has obviously proposed several options to safely carry out the extensive search under the beach. A delicate operation because it must guarantee neighboring soils do not collapse. "Very heavy and flawless means of security will have to be used," says CESCE.

    During the works, it will be necessary to pump the water from the basement into the excavated area. The builder provides filters and settling tanks to treat this water, so that it is as clean as possible when it is rejected. Inadequate according to the CESCE, which recommends a biological analysis carried out by the ATE, before each rejection, in order to avoid any pollution in the bay of Saint-Jean.

    More broadly, the CESCE wonders about the long-term consequences of this construction, particularly on the movement of sand and the erosion of the beach. "This phenomenon was observed after the implementation of the sheet piles in front of the swimming pool of the hotel Filao. It is recognized that this is the reason why the sand has disappeared in front of Eden Rock ", explains the institution, which asks for a specific study on this point.

    What housing for the future staff?

    In another area, there is the question of staff and housing. The project leader indicated that he was studying the possibility of building new accommodations, and that pooling with those of the hotel Le Barthélemy would make things easier. The CESCE "proposes that the Collectivité impose on the petitioner the housing, on the site, of 50% of its seasonal staff". In terms of capacity, he points out that the project offers 23 keys, but has a total of fifty rooms (a key leading to several beds). The former Emeraude hotel had 26 rooms, including four dedicated to staff. "In the interest of personal safety, the living space should not accommodate more guests than the old establishment," considers CESCE.

    Irma reminded him: Saint John Bay is very vulnerable in the event of a cyclonic event. "The CESCE wonders about the progress of the Natural Risk Prevention Plan (PPRN) for Saint-Barthélemy and recalls that in case of natural disaster, the responsibility of the Community could be engaged if it authorized a inadequate construction in an area known to be dangerous. "He suggested to the elected officials to oppose a stay of the application for planning permission for the Emerald Beach, pending the development of the PPRN. It must be adopted by the territorial council by November 2020 at the latest.

    The CESCE also recommends lowering the height of buildings authorized by the sea, by modifying the planning map, as much to limit the impact of the wind in the event of cyclone as to preserve the landscape of the island.

    Then comes the question of electricity supply. As for other luxury hotels, the energy provided by EDF will not be enough; the lack will be filled by generators. If the project includes the installation of solar water heaters, in particular, the CESCE supports the need to make this project an example in terms of energy mix.

    Regarding sanitation, the project leader has planned to invest in a high-end equipment. That does not convince the institution so far: "The treatment plant, as efficient and modern as it is, will inevitably generate an increase in phosphate and nitrate levels in soils. The proportion of treated wastewater discharged at sea, however small, will thus promote the proliferation of green and brown algae and will have adverse effects on the marine environment, like the installations of Barthélemy and Christopher and their consequences on the environment. ecosystem of nearby areas. "

    Finally, the institution suggests questioning the Territorial Tourism Committee about "the opportunity to increase the hotel offer in Saint-Barthélemy (...): does it have the means to accommodate more customers without this does it affect the quality? What about road traffic, parking, airport customer transport, water distribution and the electricity network ... "

    Advisory only opinion

    Conclusion: CESCE members, apart from Pierre Kirscher and Thierry Dutour, who did not participate in the debates to avoid a conflict of interest, express an unfavorable opinion.

    An advisory opinion only, which must give grist to the mill for the elected executive council study of the application for a building permit.

    Contacted, the project leader Emeraude Plage indicates that he is studying CESCE's remarks, but did not wish to comment on them at the moment.

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    WOW -- Glad to see people are raising good questions and concerns. Hope the CESCE prevail.
    Libby

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    duh....

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Quote Originally Posted by pascaleschmidt View Post
    duh....



    Means the same thing in english and french!

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    If memory serves me correctly, Le B has underground parking & prior to Ugly Irma, the a/c & electric were below ground. No lesson learned ? This IS an island, duh is right !

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    If Barthelemy did it once , they can accomplish it again. Their whole development consistently receives favorable reviews. If they can get the approvals, what they build will be a significant improvement to what is/was there. Agree though- to keep on building beautiful hotels without infrastructure for the people needed to work in them doesn’t make sense.

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Do you know what was there?

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinS View Post
    Do you know what was there?
    Friends stayed at Emeraude Plage. It was really nice- the room, the outside, the bar. It’s going to be hard to improve on what was there.


    Andy

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Another underground garage? For utilities too? Please...When will they ever learn, when will they learn?
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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    I post this realizing the wrath of some of the Forum members may come down upon me.
    Seeing the development of Toiny Beach ‘The Club’ was hard to watch. We enjoyed watching the surfers in what was once a beautiful undeveloped part of the island. Now the Club has been installed and it is very nice.
    None of us want to see Saline with hotels and villas on it like Flamands but the day may come.
    We were happy Bruno stood his ground and did not allow Gouverneur to become private.
    We hated hearing the pounding at Eden Rock and dislike construction noises going on around us as new Villas are built.
    Genevieve, I think it was, and her team at Emeraude Plage must have decided to move on and she did. It was a simple, modest hotel and people consistently loved staying there according to the reviews.
    Change is inevitable. Parking in Gustavia, and at peak times in both Orient and St. Jean can be very difficult. If the Barthelemy team can figure out a way to park cars that doesn’t take up more space that isn’t available than kudos to them.
    We love the Villas we stay in and the restaurants and shops we dine and shop in. Part of the experience is ‘feet in sand’ and chaises with umbrellas on the beach. These all had to be built and beaches were encroached upon.
    Whatever is approved, it will not be fun living through the noise and congestion at St. Jean but in the end another beautiful hotel and restaurant will emerge that will allow future visitors to enjoy.
    For those that remember the ‘ruins’ of the unfinished hotel on Gran Cul de Sac, look at it today. Dining at Aux Amis beachside is wonderful.

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Quote Originally Posted by stbartshopper View Post
    I post this realizing the wrath of some of the Forum members may come down upon mel.

    There was no wrath involved just a correction of your uninformed opinion which you just did again and do a lot. Emeraude Plage was no modest, simple hotel. The Sunset Hotel is simple and modest. I don’t where you get this stuff.


    Andy

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Pearl Beach also has underground parking. Does anyone know if this has caused environmental issues on St. Jean beach?
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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Sorry Andy.

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Quote Originally Posted by stbartshopper View Post
    Sorry Andy.
    Ok. I am wrong a lot too.


    Andy

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Let's hope the CESCE has more than an advisory role, in real, behind-the-scenes ways. They are trying to express limits here -- but speaking into a headwind of money-to-be-made. Saint Jean beach seems quite vulnerable to losing its charm to overcrowding. And this can take the form of too many cubic yards of too nearby cement, just as much as from imbalance of people. I sure hope this rare island can restrain itself from over density, for the long term sake.

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    In 2016, we stayed at Emeraude Plage our first night. This week we had lunch at Le Barthelemy. Other than location, Emeraude Plage was just fine. In our opinion, it was not a special place. It was rather old (even the bar) and just adequately maintained. Le Barthelemy is absolutely beautiful. If they can bring some of that to the Emeraude Plage location, it would be an improvement.

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    Re: Looming St Jean Project Concerns: Emeraude Plage

    Mjm- That was our impression as well. We didn’t stay there but looked it over- good location but needed a makeover.

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