Dewyze or Bowersox, what's your choice?
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rivertrash
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That's what happens when you let the vote of the majority determine outcomes.
NYCFred
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gramchop said:
I was amazed at how OLD some of those suckers were...Joe Cocker, hall + oates, the gibb bros.
I mean, I'm still young, right? WTH happened to THEM?
Not gonna be even close to the same show w/o Simon.
Oh, yeah. If janet jackson's last name was Smith, we never would have heard of her. Talentless.
GramChop
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i completely disagree with you about janet's talent, fred. i think she is a very entertaining performer. i saw her at madison square garden and i was blown away at the show and her vocals....just my opin!
for the record: hall & oates, alice cooper, joe cocker, bee gees and chicago ARE old! i give them kudos for getting out there and bringing us older set back to some great memories!
for the record: hall & oates, alice cooper, joe cocker, bee gees and chicago ARE old! i give them kudos for getting out there and bringing us older set back to some great memories!
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I thought the exact same thing, Dennis. These contestants are all very young and are expected to be authentic, current, and the next "great" thing. Yet they bring out all these old acts that could be the grandparents of the contestants. For me though, it was amazing how well a couple of the granddaddy acts did, including Joe Cocker. And Michael McDonald was not too shabby either. But Carrie Underwood's performance and Mamasox's duet with Alanis Morissette were the highlights of the show for me.
Regarding winner, Lee Dewyze, I saw a blog online which said:
"Does America really need another non-threatening, average looking, white, guitar strummin' singer/songwriter as the Idol winner. And I'm not even going to mention what an uphill battle Lee is going to have creating some kind of album that will sell even as many as Kris Allen (315K or so)."
I couldn't agree more. Lee Dewyze brings nothing new to the table and I personally think that both David Cook and Kris Allen, the winners the past two years, blow his doors off. It's pretty bad when the winner himself is so surprised ....this was an upset of the magnitude of Kris Allen beating Adam Lambert. 11-14 year-old girls are doing the majority of the voting here. Because year after year, many of the runners up are doing way better than the winner (Daughtry, Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Pickler Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert off the top of my head). Of couse some years the talent is also much better, which this year was probably the worst one talent wise in the show's history IMHO.
It seems that Idol needs to change the way the winners are chosen. What the judges think should have way more to do with the outcome. After all, the judges were either successful themselves (Randy, Paula, Ellen), or they have produced great songs and stars (Simon, Kara). Perhaps it should be a 60/40 split with the viewer votes .....something.
End of rant.
Oh ....and GO BRETT MICHAELS! That was awesome!!
Dennis said:
I thought the exact same thing, Dennis. These contestants are all very young and are expected to be authentic, current, and the next "great" thing. Yet they bring out all these old acts that could be the grandparents of the contestants. For me though, it was amazing how well a couple of the granddaddy acts did, including Joe Cocker. And Michael McDonald was not too shabby either. But Carrie Underwood's performance and Mamasox's duet with Alanis Morissette were the highlights of the show for me.
Regarding winner, Lee Dewyze, I saw a blog online which said:
"Does America really need another non-threatening, average looking, white, guitar strummin' singer/songwriter as the Idol winner. And I'm not even going to mention what an uphill battle Lee is going to have creating some kind of album that will sell even as many as Kris Allen (315K or so)."
I couldn't agree more. Lee Dewyze brings nothing new to the table and I personally think that both David Cook and Kris Allen, the winners the past two years, blow his doors off. It's pretty bad when the winner himself is so surprised ....this was an upset of the magnitude of Kris Allen beating Adam Lambert. 11-14 year-old girls are doing the majority of the voting here. Because year after year, many of the runners up are doing way better than the winner (Daughtry, Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Pickler Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert off the top of my head). Of couse some years the talent is also much better, which this year was probably the worst one talent wise in the show's history IMHO.
It seems that Idol needs to change the way the winners are chosen. What the judges think should have way more to do with the outcome. After all, the judges were either successful themselves (Randy, Paula, Ellen), or they have produced great songs and stars (Simon, Kara). Perhaps it should be a 60/40 split with the viewer votes .....something.
End of rant.
Oh ....and GO BRETT MICHAELS! That was awesome!!
Eddie
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I semi-watched AI for the first time, last night. A friend told me the girl could sing, and has a Rock n Roll heart. I thought I'd check it out...
She can sing, but would be a hard sell in an environment where Rock is dead. I thought the guy who won was pretty vanilla- but that's what the industry wants- cookie cutter performers. From what I've heard of previous winners, they're all pretty much the same. Technically competent voices, but no soul; no depth; no emotion. I expect them all to be in a Vegas Revue a few years from now.
For a variety of reasons, the music industry is in a tailspin. I doubt it will ever return to the glory days. Being photogenic has become more important than charisma and emotion. As long as they're looking for "the next______", they'll never discover anyone pushing the limits.
For my money, the greatest singer of all time was Otis Redding. He put more heart & soul into a song than anyone. I doubt he'd make it past the AI auditions... (I also doubt that any of the guest stars featured would either- imagine Alice Cooper or Joe Cocker auditioning for AI).
Rock n Roll is dead... killed by music company fear and greed. RIP.
She can sing, but would be a hard sell in an environment where Rock is dead. I thought the guy who won was pretty vanilla- but that's what the industry wants- cookie cutter performers. From what I've heard of previous winners, they're all pretty much the same. Technically competent voices, but no soul; no depth; no emotion. I expect them all to be in a Vegas Revue a few years from now.
For a variety of reasons, the music industry is in a tailspin. I doubt it will ever return to the glory days. Being photogenic has become more important than charisma and emotion. As long as they're looking for "the next______", they'll never discover anyone pushing the limits.
For my money, the greatest singer of all time was Otis Redding. He put more heart & soul into a song than anyone. I doubt he'd make it past the AI auditions... (I also doubt that any of the guest stars featured would either- imagine Alice Cooper or Joe Cocker auditioning for AI).
Rock n Roll is dead... killed by music company fear and greed. RIP.
andynap
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Rock is dead unless you are an old rocker too- Greatful Dead, Kiss, Stones, etc. These AI singers appeal to the teeny boppers but the personalities the past couple years are nil. After Carrie Underwood, Aiken, and one or 2 others who has hit it at all? Who would go and see the 12 finalists touring this year?
Eddie
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Well... the dynamics of how the industry works has changed. It used to be some guys formed a band. They'd practice, practice, practice, and get a gig. After awhile, the shows would sell out. A&R guys would hear, and check out the band. They'd get signed to a few album deal, and hone their sound. The record company would front the money for a national tour. They'd gain a national following.
Now, it's pre-packaged. It has to be slick from the start. No opportunity to evolve as a band.
Actually, it's a lot like a first round quarterback pick. Used to be, he'd sit on the bench for a few years, learning from the starter. Now, he's the starter from day one. Music is now the same.
Now, it's pre-packaged. It has to be slick from the start. No opportunity to evolve as a band.
Actually, it's a lot like a first round quarterback pick. Used to be, he'd sit on the bench for a few years, learning from the starter. Now, he's the starter from day one. Music is now the same.
MIke R
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those were special times being able to see future greats honing their craft in small venues....in NJ/NY I got to see Bruce...and Billy Joel..J Geils..Aerosmith...Jackson Browne and even Jimi before they made it...living in Houston I got to see Stevie Ray, the Fabulous Thunderbirds, and ZZ Top before they got big......I do miss that aspect of the business
those were special times being able to see future greats honing their craft in small venues....in NJ/NY I got to see Bruce...and Billy Joel..J Geils..Aerosmith...Jackson Browne and even Jimi before they made it...living in Houston I got to see Stevie Ray, the Fabulous Thunderbirds, and ZZ Top before they got big......I do miss that aspect of the business
