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    Andy

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    and no wonder....

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    ORDER ON THE TEMPORARY BAN OF SWIMMING AND NAUTICAL AC TIVITIES IN THE BAYS OF MARIGOT, GRAND CUL DE SAC, PETIT CUL DE SAC AND ANSE DES CAYES


    From Monday July 25, 2022 until the situation returns to normal, swimming and all water activities are prohibited in the bays of Marigot, Grand-Cul de Sac, Petit-Cul de Sac and Anse des Cayes.


    COMMUNITY INFORMATION Sargassum


    We are facing a massive stranding of Sargassum on our coasts, which far from being trivial, is akin to a real natural disaster. The quantity has not been estimated as a whole, but we are already seeing the damage caused by the accumulation of these algae on the beaches of the island.


    Since Thursday, and only for Grand Cul, 180 tons of sargassum were collected.


    The loss for the fauna (lobsters, fish, echinoderms, crustaceans, molluscs, turtles) is considerable. Corals and seagrass beds are also affected by the phenomenon. The fishermen who had lobster pots in the lagoon lost everything. The Collectivity mobilizes and implements all the means at her disposal for massage and cleaning. Crews are working slowly daily to try to mitigate the effects. The Collectivity is also studying the possibility of diverting these algae and all other available and effective solutions, in collaboration with the State. Discussions are currently underway with national ministerial services.


    The Collectivité of Saint-Barthélemy would like to thank all the associations and volunteers who take part in cleaning the coasts and who do an exceptional job, as well as the ATE, the companies, the technical services, in core present in the field.


    Strandings at this level of importance can certainly only have a negative impact on human beings and the marine environment. The danger is real.


    The Collectivity points out that it is essential to be equipped to carry out collection operations and strongly advises the population not to bathe or to go to the impacted sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEK View Post
    We are facing a massive stranding of Sargassum on our coasts, which far from being trivial, is akin to a real natural disaster .
    it’s probably just me, but I find qualifying this as a “natural disaster” is a bit frothed up. an inconvenience. expensive to deal with. possibly a sign of short-sighted agricultural practices. possibly other things. but, a “real natural disaster” not for me.
    words mean things, and governments should be careful how they wield them. Imho.

    nat·u·ral dis·as·ter

    noun

    • a natural event such as a flood, earthquake, or hurricane that causes great damage or loss of life.
      "the number of people suffering food crises as a result of natural disasters has tripled in the last thirty years"







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    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    words mean things, and governments should be careful how they wield them. Imho.
    It's not just you. I was thinking the same thing. Its a real issue but to call this a natural disaster is a bit much and, in the end, may end up taking away from the cause.

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    Cass, I agree. Man made disaster I sadly feel is more like it.
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    Amy, I don’t really know to what extent the 1000 x 3000 mile Sargasso Sea encountering land is attributable to human activity. Apparently the SS has been around a long, long time.
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    But folks here agree, this is the biggest pile up yet. It is a summer season happening, but it is more than inconvenient.

    More studies will come forth and explain it in more detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    Amy, I don’t really know to what extent the 1000 x 3000 mile Sargasso Sea encountering land is attributable to human activity. Apparently the SS has been around a long, long time.
    interesting this is seemingly not related to that... this is a new wave of sargasso coming from Brazil it seems... not from the Sargasso Sea...

    from this article:

    You might think that Sargassum comes from the Sargasso Sea, but this is not the case this time. In fact, according to a study conducted by the CNES in 2018, significant aerial and satellite resources were deployed to study the hypotheses on the origin of these algae that wash up on Martinique's beaches.Some scientists have studied the path of sargassum through satellites and have shown that they would come from the north of the mouth of the Amazon, off Brazil, it seems that banks of sargassum are also formed from West Africa, at the mouth of the Congo and are brought by the current on the Caribbean coast.You must be wondering, what does this have to do with the Amazon? It turns out that the Amazon has been undergoing deforestation in recent years, especially 2015, giving way to farmers who use fertilizers and pour into the water.Scientists add yet another hypothesis on where the sargassum comes from, it would be because of ocean warming.

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    thanks for the clarification, Ellen !
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    180 tons is a Big Ass Bag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve View Post
    180 tons is a Big Ass Bag

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    Can't something be a natural disaster and a man-made disaster at the same time? Mean, there are a lot of other things we consider "natural disasters" that clearly are consequences of bad decisions made by humans, including, paradoxically increased flooding and droughts.


    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    it’s probably just me, but I find qualifying this as a “natural disaster” is a bit frothed up. an inconvenience. expensive to deal with. possibly a sign of short-sighted agricultural practices. possibly other things. but, a “real natural disaster” not for me.
    words mean things, and governments should be careful how they wield them. Imho.

    nat·u·ral dis·as·ter

    noun

    • a natural event such as a flood, earthquake, or hurricane that causes great damage or loss of life.
      "the number of people suffering food crises as a result of natural disasters has tripled in the last thirty years"








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    This is a current example of a natural disaster by my reckoning:
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    flooding in Kentucky leaves 16+ dead, scores homeless.
    YMMV as they say.
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    D’accord.

    I feel So sad for those flooded lately.

    What a mess and clean up ahead will be exhausting and emotionally draining.

    Stay safe!
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    By my reckoning and the majority of weather people - the spate of extreme weather is the result of climate change which is man made.


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    Or like the 40 day and 40 night rain event of biblical times that the story says resulted in a huge flood, mankind has managed yet again to push God’s buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andynap View Post
    By my reckoning and the majority of weather people - the spate of extreme weather is the result of climate change which is man made.
    best to take that subject up in EE
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    best to take that subject up in EE
    What about this subject?




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    Or like the 40 day and 40 night rain event of biblical times that the story says resulted in a huge flood, mankind has managed yet again push God’s buttons.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
    What about this subject?




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    Or like the 40 day and 40 night rain event of biblical times that the story says resulted in a huge flood, mankind has managed yet again push God’s buttons.





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    Tell me when you first saw and/or heard about sargassum and that should tell you what you need to know about it and why this is happening. It's awful for many reasons. Yes, it's been around for a long time, but not in this area, not this much, and is definitely getting worse each year.

    It's almost as if Mother Nature is trying to tell us something....

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    Of course that is a natural disaster. But why would you think this is a binary thing? Natural disasters take different forms -- and death and impact on human life is by no means the only measure. And, seriously, given the deaths involved in Kentucky, isn't it awfully cavalier to suggest "YMMV as they say"? That's pretty insulting to the victims.

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    flooding in Kentucky leaves 16+ dead, scores homeless.
    YMMV as they say.

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    it's pretty simple.

    it's what constitutes a "disaster" that is in question . . . from my POV. whatever the cause.

    some consider seaweed piling up on the beach a "disaster". some consider it less than a "disaster".

    YMMV.

    be insulted if you wish. i'm ambivalent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    it's pretty simple.

    it's what constitutes a "disaster" that is in question . . . from my POV. whatever the cause.

    some consider seaweed piling up on the beach a "disaster". some consider it less than a "disaster".

    YMMV.

    be insulted if you wish. i'm ambivalent.
    Frankly the sargassum issue is much more of a problem than some seaweed piling up on the beach.. it cannot be dismissed lightly. and should be treated at the cause not the symptom IMHO.

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    What is YMMV
    never mind. Just wasted 15 seconds looking it up in the Urban Dictionary

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgreaux View Post
    it cannot be dismissed lightly.
    ... and, I'm not aware that anyone is doing so.

    if you or others consider it a "natural disaster" that's your prerogative.
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    Clearly you don't understand the meaning of the word "ambivalent." But whatever, there's always one in every crowd, as you often prove.


    Quote Originally Posted by cassidain View Post
    it's pretty simple.

    it's what constitutes a "disaster" that is in question . . . from my POV. whatever the cause.

    some consider seaweed piling up on the beach a "disaster". some consider it less than a "disaster".

    YMMV.

    be insulted if you wish. i'm ambivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andynap View Post
    By my reckoning and the majority of weather people - the spate of extreme weather is the result of climate change which is man made.
    How do you explain the former changes in glaciers and other changes in climate before fossil fuels?

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