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  1. #121
    elgreaux is offline
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    I wouldn't put that tombstone in your garden quite yet, 8 members of the NY Yankees organization who are vaccinated (J&J) now have Covid, and there were 64 cases in St Martin just last week, with no test required to come to SBH on the ferry... masks still required for flying, trains, buses, etc... are we totally out of the woods?

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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    I have seen photos of people masked for that Spanish flu era, Dianna.
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  3. #123
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by didier View Post
    and during the spanish flu which was equally terrible, there were no distancing rules, no mask requirements, etc. perhaps people were smarter in those days?
    the anti-maskers might not have worn them, but there were mask regulations and plenty of people did wear them....
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by elgreaux View Post
    I wouldn't put that tombstone in your garden quite yet, 8 members of the NY Yankees organization who are vaccinated (J&J) now have Covid, and there were 64 cases in St Martin just last week, with no test required to come to SBH on the ferry... masks still required for flying, trains, buses, etc... are we totally out of the woods?
    And then there is India, Africa and many other countries that are inundated with infection and death. Most don’t believe this one will every truly go away. I expect booster shots for years and years.
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  5. #125
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by amyb View Post
    I have seen photos of people masked for that Spanish flu era, Dianna.
    of course they wore masks back then, but it was not strictly enforced like it is now. looks like the cdc is saying most places if they wish can stop enforcing the masks. such as outside etc. a lot of states have already adopted the mask free status. I will be going to the states next week, it will be nice to see things there returning to a more normal state. I believe they are saying vaccinated people can now remove their masks outdoors and indoors in some places. I wonder if they will carry vaxx cards with them.

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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve View Post
    With all we did, it still only cut 3 months off the pandemic of 1919. And they had no vaccine.
    "With all we did"?!? HAHAHAHAHHA! Ignoring it, denying it and calling it a hoax for the better part of a year might have something to do with the timeline.

  7. #127
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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    Full article here

    Covid-19 cases are decreasing in the United States, and masks are no longer required everywhere, but the pandemic is not over — and won’t be until younger children can also be vaccinated, epidemiologists said in a new survey by The New York Times.

    The true end of the pandemic — when it becomes safer to return to most activities without precautions — will arrive once at least 70 percent of Americans of all ages are vaccinated, they said. Adolescents just began receiving vaccines this week, and those for children younger than 12 are not yet approved.
    “Children are key to ending the pandemic,” said David Celentano, the chair of epidemiology at Johns Hopkins University and one of the 723 epidemiologists who participated in the survey this month.
    They are optimistic this will happen, even if not as quickly as many Americans hope. In five years, they expect Covid-19 will be more like the flu, circulating at a lower rate and with some deaths every year — but no longer a public health crisis necessitating lockdowns.
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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    Went to the Amish market this morning. All the help were maskless for the first time (do they know who the CDC is?). All customers wore masks. I think the Amish are anti-vax too but reached herd immunity the hard way here without vaccine.

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  9. #129
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    Re: As of June 9th, new process for arrivals to the island of Saint Barth

    So am i mistaken that the Vaccine requirement is similar enforcement to Las Vegas casino's requiring you to be vaccinated to go mask-less ?

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    Jim A is offline
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    Re: As of June 9th, new process for arrivals to the island of Saint Barth

    Quote Originally Posted by TR561 View Post
    So am i mistaken that the Vaccine requirement is similar enforcement to Las Vegas casino's requiring you to be vaccinated to go mask-less ?
    I'm not sure of the Vegas requirement but I read it as you will not be allowed entry to SBH if not vaccinated (at least until it changes again?)

  11. #131
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    Re: As of June 9th, new process for arrivals to the island of Saint Barth

    You are not allowed to enter a Vegas casino without a mask (or any other store in America unless you are vaccinated). If you are vaccinated you can do all of those things legally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    I'm not sure of the Vegas requirement but I read it as you will not be allowed entry to SBH if not vaccinated (at least until it changes again?)

  12. #132
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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    The below is why I think St Barth and other Countries have or are considering different entry rules for vaccinated and non-vaccinated tourists. I am posting this as part of the discussion about the recent rule changes, but I also fully understand it may lead to the "hijacking" of a thread if I post it somewhere else, so I'll post it here instead. The article I pulled this data from is about a week old. They only used official State data. States that don't put out this info were excluded.







    • Almost all (more than 9 in 10) COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths have occurred among people who are unvaccinated or not yet fully vaccinated, in those states reporting breakthrough data (see Figure 2).

      • The reported share of COVID-19 cases among those not fully vaccinated ranged from 94.1% in Arizona to 99.85% Connecticut.
      • The share of hospitalizations among those with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from in 95.02% in Alaska to 99.93% in New Jersey. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
      • The share of deaths among people with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from to 96.91% in Montana to 99.91% in New Jersey. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)



    Figure 2
    Share of Overall COVID-19 Cases by Those Fully Vaccinated v. Those Not Fully Vaccinated Among Reporting States

    Cases Hospitalizations Deaths

    State Share of Overall Cases Among Fully Vaccinated Share of Overall Cases Among Not Fully Vaccinated*
    Alaska 4.0%
    4.0%
    96.0%
    96.0%
    Arizona 5.9%
    5.9%
    94.1%
    94.1%
    Arkansas 3.6%
    3.6%
    96.4%
    96.4%
    California 1.4%
    1.4%
    98.6%
    98.6%
    Connecticut 0.2%
    0.2%
    99.9%
    99.9%
    Delaware 1.0%
    1.0%
    99.0%
    99.0%
    District of Columbia 1.3%
    1.3%
    98.7%
    98.7%
    Idaho 1.2%
    1.2%
    98.8%
    98.8%
    Indiana 1.1%
    1.1%
    98.9%
    98.9%
    Maine 1.3%
    1.3%
    98.7%
    98.7%
    Massachusetts 1.0%
    1.0%
    99.0%
    99.0%
    Michigan 1.6%
    1.6%
    98.4%
    98.4%
    Montana 3.2%
    3.2%
    96.8%
    96.8%
    Nebraska 0.4%
    0.4%
    99.6%
    99.6%
    New Jersey 0.2%
    0.2%
    99.8%
    99.8%
    New Mexico 1.2%
    1.2%
    98.9%
    98.9%
    Oklahoma 0.8%
    0.8%
    99.2%
    99.2%
    Oregon 1.9%
    1.9%
    98.1%
    98.1%
    Rhode Island 1.7%
    1.7%
    98.3%
    98.3%
    Tennessee 0.4%
    0.4%
    99.7%
    99.7%
    Utah 3.2%
    3.2%
    96.8%
    96.8%
    Vermont 1.6%
    1.6%
    98.4%
    98.4%
    Virginia 0.7%
    0.7%
    99.3%
    99.3%
    Washington 2.0%
    2.0%
    98.0%
    98.0%



    NOTE: *Those not fully vaccinated includes those who unvaccinated, not yet fully vaccinated, or where vaccination status is unknown. Only states that have collected data on breakthrough COVID-19 cases for more than a month have been included.SOURCE: KFF Analysis of State Level Data; Johns Hopkins University PNG

  13. #133
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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    Expect to see full authorization of all EUA vaccines by the end of the month.

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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    It is almost like there is some strange correlation going on here? Ah, the vaccinated are spreading the virus to the unvaccinated! No, that can't be it

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