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  1. #91
    GramChop is offline
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    Re: Island vaccinations off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by garykool81 View Post
    One would suspect this is because the science of vaccine development today has advanced somewhat beyond where it was nearly a century ago when polio vaccine research was started. The medical and technological world around us today feels slightly more advanced than that of the 1930s.

    It would be like arguing that the current year model Ford Mustang is unsafe to drive and “experimental” because it wasn’t developed in the same timeframe as automobiles of the 1920s.

    And, let’s be frank. If this were the 1950s, conspiracy theorists of today would be part of the group in the mid-20th century arguing that the polio vaccine was dangerous and should be banned. After all, did you know that the polio vaccine actually gave 1 in every 2 million people who received it polio? The risk of side effects from these covid vaccines is measurably lower, with odds now more favorable on a scale of tens of millions vs. the rate of serious side effects we saw from the polio and smallpox vaccines you champion as benchmarks of normalcy in vaccine development and administration.

    As a side note — none of these vaccines in use are experimental. You continue to use that term inaccurately and without justification. It is factually false. The vaccines went through an experimental phase and were authorized for use. Each of these vaccines are not “new”. They are based on tested technology and science that has been around for decades now, including the mRNA vaccines, just like a new airplane model from Airbus isn’t received by the public with a level of skepticism as though it is the first time man has mastered the ability to fly.

    Vaccine side effects virtually always show themselves within hours of administration, and with complete historical certainty do show themselves within under 30 days of being administered.

    Here are the facts. This virus isn’t going to magically disappear. In fact, the longer it remains in circulation, the greater the chances are that more variants evolve that not only increase contagiousness of the virus, but also its mortality rate — something being observed right now with newer strains just one year in. Worse, the greater the odds are that they evolve in a partially vaccinated population to outsmart vaccines.

    Vaccines can be a silver bullet that literally eradicate this virus from our planet, something increasingly unlikely now due to misinformation being spread by individuals on forums like this, but only if enough people take them to establish legitimate herd immunity — something that cannot be achieved through “natural immunity” without actually killing millions of more people in an effort to try. If we do not reach herd immunity on a global scale, this virus will continue to survive, spread, and thrive. Result? We’ll be wearing masks for the rest of our lives, vaccine passports won’t just be a thing of the next few years but rather of our lifetimes, border closures will become normality.

    If we want to see global tourism return to normal ever again and know that we can freely travel to islands such as St. Barts without encountering the risk of sudden travel bans, border closures, or permanent covid testing and vaccine passport control on either side of the border, then we have an ever-narrowing window to make that happen. Spreading misinformation and constantly contradicting the overwhelming consensus of the global healthcare community with falsehood-laden conspiracy theories will only cement into our future a planet where free travel was a thing of prior civilization.
    Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!!

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  2. #92
    Jim A is offline
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    Re: Island vaccinations off to a good start

    It's like Groundhog Day in here (the movie, not the holiday)

    The way I look at it is if you don't want to get the vaccine, don't get it. No one can force you to and the part you seem to be missing is that no one is even trying to force you to get it. But stop trying to justify not getting it with half-truths, outliers and opinions based on nothing but opinions because that is where you keep getting your push back and saying things over and over ad nauseam doesn't make them true. Those who believe the vaccine is a good/great thing don't care that you personally don't trust it or want to get it. Honestly, we just don't care. Some simply have gotten it because it allows them to travel more freely and that's fine too. At least in part, what some who believe in the vaccine do care about (above and beyond our general well wishes for everyone's good health) is the hope that the majority of people will get vaccinated or at least more than have so far will, because we feel that will open up travel to St Barths with less restrictions for those of us that want to travel there. This is a travel forum and that is what the main focus of the topic should be. You may not agree, but that's ok, you don't have to because we can't all even agree if Maya's is a good restaurant or not so how can we be expected to agree on this? None of us has a crystal ball, but please stop pretending like anyone cares if you get vaccinated or not.

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    Re: Island vaccinations off to a good start

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  4. #94
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    Re: Island vaccinations off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    It's like Groundhog Day in here (the movie, not the holiday)

    The way I look at it is if you don't want to get the vaccine, don't get it. No one can force you to and the part you seem to be missing is that no one is even trying to force you to get it. But stop trying to justify not getting it with half-truths, outliers and opinions based on nothing but opinions because that is where you keep getting your push back and saying things over and over ad nauseam doesn't make them true. Those who believe the vaccine is a good/great thing don't care that you personally don't trust it or want to get it. Honestly, we just don't care. Some simply have gotten it because it allows them to travel more freely and that's fine too. What some who believe in the vaccine do care about (above and beyond our general well wishes for everyone's good health) is the hope that the majority of people will get vaccinated or at least more than have so far will, because we feel that will open up travel to St Barths with less restrictions for those of us that want to travel there. This is a travel forum and that is what the main focus of the topic should be. You may not agree, but that's ok, you don't have to because we can't all even agree if Maya's is a good restaurant or not so how can we be expected to agree on this? None of us has a crystal ball, but please stop pretending like anyone cares if you get vaccinated or not.
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  5. #95
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    Re: Island vaccinations off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawke View Post
    As long as you are a member of the "in crowd" Cass.
    i don’t really think of them as being particularly « in ».
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  6. #96
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    From what I read on here I thought that no one on the island wanted to be vaccinated.
    don't recall who said that. do you remember who ?
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  7. #97
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    Wow 45%??? that's amazing. From what I read on here I thought that no one on the island wanted to be vaccinated. IMO
    I don't believe anyone said that. but I am sure the mods can look it up.

  8. #98
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    Again, snarky and unpleasant. You are all so ready to find conflict in every post that you see nothing else. There is no veiled accusation in my comment. There were a lot of comments on here (and many by you) about how so many residents didn't want to get vaccinated. Heck it's been a topic for a month. I for one am ecstatic and surprised that the number vaccinated is that high and assumed everyone would be. Even people who aren't vaccinated should be thrilled if it helps the island open.

    I certainly am not being snarky or unpleasant, but it seems as if you might be. yikes.

    what I said was that most Locals do not want to be vaccinated. and that is still true. we have a large portuguese population and a lot of ex pats on the island. The island will open soon regardless of the final vaccination count.

    Hopefully you will be able to visit. I hope you have a great day.

  9. #99
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    �� Amen Jim

  10. #100
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    05-05-2021, 11:45 AM


    Originally Posted by Jim A
    Wow 45%??? that's amazing. From what I read on here I thought that no one on the island wanted to be vaccinated. IMO



    Originally posted by didier:"I don't believe anyone said that. but I am sure the mods can look it up."


    05-05-2021, 12:21 PM


    Originally Posted by Jim A
    Again, snarky and unpleasant. You are all so ready to find conflict in every post that you see nothing else. There is no veiled accusation in my comment. There were a lot of comments on here (and many by you) about how so many residents didn't want to get vaccinated. Heck it's been a topic for a month. I for one am ecstatic and surprised that the number vaccinated is that high and assumed everyone would be. Even people who aren't vaccinated should be thrilled if it helps the island open.




    Originally posted by didier:
    "I certainly am not being snarky or unpleasant, but it seems as if you might be. yikes.

    what I said was that most Locals do not want to be vaccinated. and that is still true. we have a large portuguese population and a lot of ex pats on the island. The island will open soon regardless of the final vaccination count.

    Hopefully you will be able to visit. I hope you have a great day."




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  11. #101
    Bart -my real name- is offline
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Missy:

  12. #102
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by GramChop View Post
    05-05-2021, 11:45 AM


    Originally Posted by Jim A





    05-05-2021, 12:21 PM


    Originally Posted by Jim A
    Again, snarky and unpleasant. You are all so ready to find conflict in every post that you see nothing else. There is no veiled accusation in my comment. There were a lot of comments on here (and many by you) about how so many residents didn't want to get vaccinated. Heck it's been a topic for a month. I for one am ecstatic and surprised that the number vaccinated is that high and assumed everyone would be. Even people who aren't vaccinated should be thrilled if it helps the island open.




    Originally posted by didier:
    "

    what I said was that most Locals do not want to be vaccinated. and that is still true. we have a large portuguese population and a lot of ex pats on the island. The island will open soon regardless of the final vaccination count.

    Hopefully you will be able to visit. I hope you have a great day."





    Missy , is that a question emoji? or a confused emoji? if you are wondering about the word Locals...it just means someone who was born and raised here.

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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    Again, snarky and unpleasant. You are all so ready to find conflict in every post that you see nothing else. There is no veiled accusation in my comment. There were a lot of comments on here (and many by you) about how so many residents didn't want to get vaccinated. Heck it's been a topic for a month. I for one am ecstatic and surprised that the number vaccinated is that high and assumed everyone would be. Even people who aren't vaccinated should be thrilled if it helps the island open.

    I agree with you Jim. I stopped posting on here a while ago because some people are just nasty. But it must be said. Tired of biting my tongue. Didier and Cassidain are differently aligned with my dogma.

  14. #104
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    I wonder if I'm the only one who almost never posts here because so often the responses are snarky and unpleasant, and I have no interest in having a well-intentioned query or comment met with rudeness. It seems so unnecessary to me. I'm new to the group, but I have to believe that somewhere, a long, long time ago, this was a fun place to hang out, meet like-minded people and exchange good information re: our favorite spot in the world. What happened?

  15. #105
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabbed2021 View Post
    I agree with you Jim. I stopped posting on here a while ago because some people are just nasty. But it must be said. Tired of biting my tongue. Didier and Cassidain deleted
    perhaps any reply with the word deleted in it should be sent to ee?

  16. #106
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by KatArnold View Post
    I wonder if I'm the only one who almost never posts here because so often the responses are snarky and unpleasant, and I have no interest in having a well-intentioned query or comment met with rudeness. It seems so unnecessary to me. I'm new to the group, but I have to believe that somewhere, a long, long time ago, this was a fun place to hang out, meet like-minded people and exchange good information re: our favorite spot in the world. What happened?

    I have been on here since 2004 before wimco took over, it was with Kara Brooks before Wimco.

    as with any email, I think people read into it what they wish if they don't like the poster, even if the reply was NEVER meant to be snarky.

    its like vaxx shunning in the states. if you are vaccinated you don't want to hear from persons who are not getting vaccinated. it could cloud your viewing of any response.

    that being said, calling others horrible names is a step back in any conversation. it seems that is being allowed, because so far, the response has not been removed

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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabbed2021 View Post
    I agree with you Jim. I stopped posting on here a while ago because some people are just nasty. But it must be said. Tired of biting my tongue. Didier and Cassidain are deleted.
    I agree, as well. The “loud”, consistent negativity and nastiness of a small handful of posters (those previously mentioned top the list) is not doing anything but bringing the spirit of this forum down to a class-less place.

    Thank you for speaking up, Nabbed2021 and Jim A.
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  18. #108
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Case in point:
    Quote Originally Posted by didier View Post
    Missy , is that a question emoji? or a confused emoji? if you are wondering about the word Locals...it just means someone who was born and raised here.
    Be better!
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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by GramChop View Post
    I agree, as well. The “loud”, consistent negativity and nastiness of a small handful of posters (those previously mentioned top the list) is not doing anything but bringing the spirit of this forum down to a class-less place.

    Thank you for speaking up, Nabbed2021 and Jim A.

    Missy, I had always thought that you were at the top of the list, but now I am sure of it. Be Better!

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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by didier View Post
    I have been on here since 2004 before wimco took over, it was with Kara Brooks before Wimco.

    as with any email, I think people read into it what they wish if they don't like the poster, even if the reply was NEVER meant to be snarky.

    its like vaxx shunning in the states. if you are vaccinated you don't want to hear from persons who are not getting vaccinated. it could cloud your viewing of any response.

    that being said, calling others horrible names is a step back in any conversation. it seems that is being allowed, because so far, the response has not been removed
    Just saw this Diana. I edited it. I still work and JEK must be taking his nappy.

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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
    Just saw this Diana. I edited it. I still work and JEK must be taking his nappy.
    thanks Dennis. hoo boy is right.

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    Re: Encourgaing news on vaccinations

    Quote Originally Posted by GramChop View Post
    I agree, as well. The “loud”, consistent negativity and nastiness of a small handful of posters (those previously mentioned top the list) is not doing anything but bringing the spirit of this forum down to a class-less place.

    Thank you for speaking up, Nabbed2021 and Jim A.

    mods, is it possible to delete this conversation? if not can you delete the conversation that still has my name and the cass name in the other responses. I know the names are still there with the word deleted. feel free to leave the word deleted...lol.

  24. #114
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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    I'm not sure where the appropriate place to put this is so I'll put it here (because it was going to end up here any way). No idea how/when/where this will be implemented unless they are going to start checking vaccine cards:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/healt...ted/index.html

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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Meanwhile Covid just ended in the United States. March 11, 2020 - May 13, 2021. RIP to this nightmare time in history....

  26. #116
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by TR561 View Post
    Meanwhile Covid just ended in the United States. March 11, 2020 - May 13, 2021. RIP to this nightmare time in history....
    Praise l'ill baby Jesus! I'm probably going to have to wear a mask on the plane (and possibly still in SBH when we get there next week) but I am so done wearing a mask around Houston.....

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    Re: Non-island discussion posts regarding COVID

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim A View Post
    I'm not sure where the appropriate place to put this is so I'll put it here (because it was going to end up here any way). No idea how/when/where this will be implemented unless they are going to start checking vaccine cards:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/healt...ted/index.html

    You picked the right spot! The enforcement is personal recognizance, but people who have been vaccinated will do so with a clear conscience and a feeling of superiority!
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by TR561 View Post
    Meanwhile Covid just ended in the United States. March 11, 2020 - May 13, 2021. RIP to this nightmare time in history....
    With all we did, it still only cut 3 months off the pandemic of 1919. And they had no vaccine.

  29. #119
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve View Post
    With all we did, it still only cut 3 months off the pandemic of 1919.
    yep
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  30. #120
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    Re: Any news on re-opening

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve View Post
    With all we did, it still only cut 3 months off the pandemic of 1919. And they had no vaccine.
    and during the spanish flu which was equally terrible, there were no distancing rules, no mask requirements, etc. perhaps people were smarter in those days?

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