It's also a sad world when someone can celebrate the conviction of a cop who executes a citizen in broad daylight, but people celebrating cops regularly killing people for not using a turn signal or having an air freshener must be silent for fear of derogatory comments or worse.Originally Posted by didier
Hummm. From the CDC:
Over 211 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through April 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 3,486 reports of death (0.0016%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.
Obviously your chances of dying from Covid are exponentially higher than your chances from dying from vaccine, but why let data and science get in the way of the tin hat crowd?
And honestly, if you are so risk averse that you won't take this shot, than you should probably stop driving around the island. Your chances of getting hurt or killed in a car accident are also exponentially higher than dying from the Covid shot.
Who exactly "can't have an opinion anymore"?
And it's not Cancel culture, it's Consequence culture. Go ahead and have your opinion but others may react with their opinion.
This isn't hard. I'm entitled to hang a Nazi flag in my restaurant window and my customers are entitled to vote with their feet or come in for a meal. (I don't have a restaurant or a Nazi flag!!)
Just replying again so I can have four posts in a row!
Thank you.
Diana, I think someone’s off his meds today.
Fils du Sud - Roi des Fils Verrouillés
If I can't wear my Havaianas, I ain't goin'...ÀMHA
actually I think he may be on his meds Cass...yikes.
the chances of being in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million. I was in a plane crash in japan in 1991.
do I know what the chances of getting a bad side effect from a covid vaccine, that I do not know.
As I say its your body, your choice.
If you decide to be vaccinated; as I have: that is a personal decision. We will be back to St. Barts for three weeks in December. As I have posted before; I grew up across the street from a boy that spent most of his life in an Iron Lung after developing Polio. I do not care if someone does not get vaccinated. Denise and I are vaccinated and beyond that everyone should decide what is best for them. It's time to stop shaming people because they think differently than our own decisions.Such a shame to waste vaccines when people out in the world are dying because they don’t have access to them
Not even 25% vaccinated here. Not a chance in the world we’ll get to 80%.
the usa said yesterday that they would be sending to other countries all of their astrazeneca vaccines as they have had too many side effects from this vaccine. 0ver 60 million doses. they are also sending ventilators to india. a nice thing.
Izzy will know for sure, but I don't think AstraZeneca ever received an EUA. Oh, this is now going to the EE thread as it doesn't pertain to the island.
The best dinner on Saint Barth is a lunch at Sand Bar!
our governor just issued an EO prohibiting any local authorities from issuing mask mandates. they have until Memorial Day to comply.
Fils du Sud - Roi des Fils Verrouillés
If I can't wear my Havaianas, I ain't goin'...ÀMHA
So, ok to evoke Maine restrictions but not my state. Interesting and not equitable.
Fils du Sud - Roi des Fils Verrouillés
If I can't wear my Havaianas, I ain't goin'...ÀMHA
Maine is north of Massachusetts, isn’t it?
Fils du Sud - Roi des Fils Verrouillés
If I can't wear my Havaianas, I ain't goin'...ÀMHA
Yes, it is north of Massachusetts. It used to be a part of Massachusetts, but 200 years ago the people seceded from Massachusetts, and it became the State of Maine.
Closed without human interference
The best dinner on Saint Barth is a lunch at Sand Bar!
its not locked, don't care what anyone says.
You're the one that said it was locked!
You're the one that said it was locked!
moi? surely you jest.
I remember in high school I was part of the " in crowd" , the lunch tables were set up just like in the movies, the nerds, the cheerleaders etc. some of the people who were not part of our "in crowd" turned out to do some amazing things after they had finished school. one person who was not in our special group, later became an astronaut.
can we in this forum start acting like we are NOT still in high school? I hope not to hear anymore about being part of the solution. it may be your solution but its not mine.
people who don't get vaccinated are also part of the solution. I am a firm believer in natural immunity and also that a person's body is their choice whether something experimental is injected into it or not.
If you choose your friends on whether they get vaccinated or not, then that is your choice too. this happens in st. barths too.
Polio and Smallpox would like a word.
And paraphrasing Neil DeGrasse Tyson: science doesn't care about your firm beliefs.
Well written.
Well written.
the polio vaccines were years in the making. and the formula for the polio vaccine was always the same, not different formulas. the inventor of the polio vaccine was asked if he would patent the vaccine and make a lot of money, he answered why would I do that, it would be like putting a patent on the sun, its something we need.. .
One would suspect this is because the science of vaccine development today has advanced somewhat beyond where it was nearly a century ago when polio vaccine research was started. The medical and technological world around us today feels slightly more advanced than that of the 1930s.
It would be like arguing that the current year model Ford Mustang is unsafe to drive and “experimental” because it wasn’t developed in the same timeframe as automobiles of the 1920s.
And, let’s be frank. If this were the 1950s, conspiracy theorists of today would be part of the group in the mid-20th century arguing that the polio vaccine was dangerous and should be banned. After all, did you know that the polio vaccine actually gave 1 in every 2 million people who received it polio? The risk of side effects from these covid vaccines is measurably lower, with odds now more favorable on a scale of tens of millions vs. the rate of serious side effects we saw from the polio and smallpox vaccines you champion as benchmarks of normalcy in vaccine development and administration.
As a side note — none of these vaccines in use are experimental. You continue to use that term inaccurately and without justification. It is factually false. The vaccines went through an experimental phase and were authorized for use. Each of these vaccines are not “new”. They are based on tested technology and science that has been around for decades now, including the mRNA vaccines, just like a new airplane model from Airbus isn’t received by the public with a level of skepticism as though it is the first time man has mastered the ability to fly.
Vaccine side effects virtually always show themselves within hours of administration, and with complete historical certainty do show themselves within under 30 days of being administered.
Here are the facts. This virus isn’t going to magically disappear. In fact, the longer it remains in circulation, the greater the chances are that more variants evolve that not only increase contagiousness of the virus, but also its mortality rate — something being observed right now with newer strains just one year in. Worse, the greater the odds are that they evolve in a partially vaccinated population to outsmart vaccines.
Vaccines can be a silver bullet that literally eradicate this virus from our planet, something increasingly unlikely now due to misinformation being spread by individuals on forums like this, but only if enough people take them to establish legitimate herd immunity — something that cannot be achieved through “natural immunity” without actually killing millions of more people in an effort to try. If we do not reach herd immunity on a global scale, this virus will continue to survive, spread, and thrive. Result? We’ll be wearing masks for the rest of our lives, vaccine passports won’t just be a thing of the next few years but rather of our lifetimes, border closures will become normality.
If we want to see global tourism return to normal ever again and know that we can freely travel to islands such as St. Barts without encountering the risk of sudden travel bans, border closures, or permanent covid testing and vaccine passport control on either side of the border, then we have an ever-narrowing window to make that happen. Spreading misinformation and constantly contradicting the overwhelming consensus of the global healthcare community with falsehood-laden conspiracy theories will only cement into our future a planet where free travel was a thing of prior civilization.
This comment should be framed.
Andy
"here's my take. Rosemond's nurse comes in the morning. masked. the driver comes to get him for physical therapy, masked. the secretary at the reception desk at the PT place. masked. The physical therapist himself. masked. the sports coach who works with him in the afternoon. masked. his Feldenkrais teacher. masked. everyone working in every shop and restaurant on the island. masked. some tourists have been very lax and the beach restaurants especially have not enforced the rules, thus GypSea, Nikki, and others have been closed for violations, some more than once. Maybe the residents who live here just want to protect themselves from the foolish people who have 100 people to their villa while the official limit is six... I am not taking sides, but if you think there are no rules and you can come here and flaunt them and not get sick I will put you in touch with two friends who tested positive before leaving, spent two extra weeks in a hotel room at their own cost, and could barely lift their heads off the pillows. And no one could go see them other than to leave food and water on the porch. English variant, severe cases.... so please come, and enjoy your tropical playground, but please be careful. 1 case = an epidemic for a population of 10,000... so we have been at epidemic levels for months and months. not a laughing matter to some..." ELG
"One would suspect this is because the science of vaccine development today has advanced somewhat beyond where it was nearly a century ago when polio vaccine research was started. The medical and technological world around us today feels slightly more advanced than that of the 1930s.
It would be like arguing that the current year model Ford Mustang is unsafe to drive and “experimental” because it wasn’t developed in the same timeframe as automobiles of the 1920s.
And, let’s be frank. If this were the 1950s, conspiracy theorists of today would be part of the group in the mid-20th century arguing that the polio vaccine was dangerous and should be banned. After all, did you know that the polio vaccine actually gave 1 in every 2 million people who received it polio? The risk of side effects from these covid vaccines is measurably lower, with odds now more favorable on a scale of tens of millions vs. the rate of serious side effects we saw from the polio and smallpox vaccines you champion as benchmarks of normalcy in vaccine development and administration.
As a side note — none of these vaccines in use are experimental. You continue to use that term inaccurately and without justification. It is factually false. The vaccines went through an experimental phase and were authorized for use. Each of these vaccines are not “new”. They are based on tested technology and science that has been around for decades now, including the mRNA vaccines, just like a new airplane model from Airbus isn’t received by the public with a level of skepticism as though it is the first time man has mastered the ability to fly.
Vaccine side effects virtually always show themselves within hours of administration, and with complete historical certainty do show themselves within under 30 days of being administered.
Here are the facts. This virus isn’t going to magically disappear. In fact, the longer it remains in circulation, the greater the chances are that more variants evolve that not only increase contagiousness of the virus, but also its mortality rate — something being observed right now with newer strains just one year in. Worse, the greater the odds are that they evolve in a partially vaccinated population to outsmart vaccines.
Vaccines can be a silver bullet that literally eradicate this virus from our planet, something increasingly unlikely now due to misinformation being spread by individuals on forums like this, but only if enough people take them to establish legitimate herd immunity — something that cannot be achieved through “natural immunity” without actually killing millions of more people in an effort to try. If we do not reach herd immunity on a global scale, this virus will continue to survive, spread, and thrive. Result? We’ll be wearing masks for the rest of our lives, vaccine passports won’t just be a thing of the next few years but rather of our lifetimes, border closures will become normality.
If we want to see global tourism return to normal ever again and know that we can freely travel to islands such as St. Barts without encountering the risk of sudden travel bans, border closures, or permanent covid testing and vaccine passport control on either side of the border, then we have an ever-narrowing window to make that happen. Spreading misinformation and constantly contradicting the overwhelming consensus of the global healthcare community with falsehood-laden conspiracy theories will only cement into our future a planet where free travel was a thing of prior civilization." GK
I would just like to add that as many as one third of the people who "recover" from the natural infection have debilitating "long covid". Even if you are then contributing to herd immunity your life may be ruined. I took the shot.
I survived the covid infection. I got this infection in January 2020 before the world had a name for it. so far no side effects, I still have great antibodies as I was tested again recently. I recovered nicely. let me know in a year if you have any lasting effects from the shot. and also if you may need a booster shot if your antibodies run out .
Interesting articles in Journal this am on the rate of participation at the vaccinodrome and comments from some of those choosing to decline to participate at this time.
No hysteria. Just people making their own personal risk-benefit assessments.
Fils du Sud - Roi des Fils Verrouillés
If I can't wear my Havaianas, I ain't goin'...ÀMHA
Years ago I was running a skidder; which drags out logs after the trees have been felled and limbed. The day before I was the only one working the wood lot and pulled out a lot of skids. The following day a man that had spent most of his life in the woods was dropping trees. A branch kicked up and came into the skidder and pinned my leg over my shoulder. Luckily the hand throttle was on the lowest level and the diesel died. He came over cut the branch and took me to the hospital. The difference of a day is most likely death instead of scars. I tried to go back to the job after I recovered; but every time something kicked up I saw it coming in again. The job wasn't worth the risk for me any longer. And future connections and work earned me a two week vacation on St. Barts. We have been back countless times and we are returning for three weeks in December. We are visiting with another couple. All of us have been vaccinated and common sense tells me that masking should be over by then.
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