Should Masking Last Beyond The Pandemic? Flu And Colds Are Down, Spurring A Debate

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Should Masking Last Beyond The Pandemic? Flu And Colds Are Down, Spurring A Debate



March 30, 202112:00 PM ET
Heard on Morning Edition



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The teachers at New Hope Academy in Franklin, Tenn., were chatting the other day. The private Christian school has met in person throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic — requiring masks and trying to keep kids apart, to the degree it is possible with young children. And Nicole Grayson, who teaches fourth grade, says they realized something peculiar.
"We don't know anybody that has gotten the flu," she says. "I don't know of a student that has gotten strep throat."

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Nicole Grayson is a fourth-grade teacher at a private Christian school in Franklin, Tenn. She and her colleagues have noticed that students and teachers, who have been meeting mostly in person but wearing masks, haven't had the usual seasonal illnesses this year.


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At this point, it's not just an anecdote.
A study released this month in the Journal of Hospital Medicine, led by researchers from Vanderbilt University Medical Center, found that across 44 children's hospitals, the number of pediatric patients hospitalized for respiratory illnesses is down 62%. Deaths have dropped dramatically too, compared with the last 10 years: The number of flu deaths among children is usually between 100 and 200 per year, but so far only one child has died from the disease in the U.S. during the 2020-2021 flu season.
Adults aren't getting sick either. U.S. flu deaths this season will be measured in the hundreds instead of thousands. During the 2018-2019 flu season, which experienced a moderate level of flu activity, an estimated 34,200 Americans died.
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Masks, distancing — and social expectations
It's not just masks and physical distance that are tamping down communicable disease, says Dr. Amy Vehec, a pediatrician at Mercy Community Healthcare, a federally qualified health center in Tennessee. It has become a serious societal faux pas to go anywhere with a fever — so parents don't send their ailing kids to school, she says.
"They are doing a better job of staying home when they're sick," Vehec says. That includes adults who may feel ill.
Isolating when feeling sick could be kept up after the pandemic. But the isolation, the distance and the masks are not working for many kids, Vehec says.
Children with speech trouble aren't seeing their teacher's mouth to learn how to speak correctly, for instance.
"I think it has been a necessary evil because of the pandemic, and I have completely supported it, but it has had prices. It's had consequences," she says. "Kids' education is suffering, among other things."
And with the COVID-19 vaccine not available to children for a while yet, it may be another year of masks in schools.
There are some experts, including researchers who are trying to improve masks, who argue that more societies should embrace widespread masking in public — as some Asian countries have. But even infectious disease experts such as Dr. Ricardo Franco of the University of Alabama at Birmingham doubt that's practical.
"I'm a little skeptical that this crisis will be enough for a widespread culture change, given how difficult it's been to achieve a reasonable culture shift in the previous months," Franco says.
The most realistic setting for lasting change to occur in may be within the health care industry itself.
Doctors and nurses didn't usually wear masks before the coronavirus emerged. Dr. Duane Harrison directs an emergency department near Nashville, Tenn., for national hospital chain HCA. He says he and his colleagues used to rag on a physician who has worn a mask since he got out of medical school.
"We used to joke and clown with him," Harrison says. "Until this."
Now that everyone is in masks, Harrison has discovered the same phenomenon as other workplaces — his people aren't calling out sick, unless it's COVID-19.
"When COVID's done, this is a practice that most of us will probably continue," Harrison says. "Because we won't be worried about runny-nose kids and elderly people who don't know they're sneezing in your face."
Some hospital systems, including Nebraska Medicine, have started to relax universal masking-at-all-times requirements for their staff. Nevertheless, even those staffers who are fully vaccinated still have to wear a mask anytime they interact with patients. Intermountain Healthcare in Utah has signaled that masks will continue to be required when a statewide mandate lifts in April.
"Is everyone going to need a break?"
But even believers in the effectiveness of masks have their doubts about the medical community keeping it up in the long run.
"The larger question is, is everyone going to need a break?" asks Dr. Joshua Barocas, who studies infectious diseases at Boston University.
Whatever the post-pandemic future holds, public health officials say the time has not yet come to drop mask requirements, because millions more in the U.S. still haven't been vaccinated against COVID-19 yet. But eventually, even doctors and nurses are ready to see smiling faces again.
"I know I'm going to need to retire my masks at some point in the future," Barocas says, "for a little bit."
This story comes from NPR's partnership with Nashville Public Radio and Kaiser Health News

 
Know Izzy will weigh in. My forecast is no- not all of us will wear masks ‘forever.’ Some will. But it is not time to let up let with the variants forming during transmissions.
 
Should Masking Last Beyond The Pandemic? Flu And Colds Are Down, Spurring A Debate



March 30, 202112:00 PM ET
Heard on Morning Edition



us-health-virus-school_custom-8995a3a577c0731bacbaef5a5abfbc4922038803-s800-c85.jpg





The teachers at New Hope Academy in Franklin, Tenn., were chatting the other day. The private Christian school has met in person throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic — requiring masks and trying to keep kids apart, to the degree it is possible with young children. And Nicole Grayson, who teaches fourth grade, says they realized something peculiar.
"We don't know anybody that has gotten the flu," she says. "I don't know of a student that has gotten strep throat."

thumbnail_img_3229_custom-cb94d80cb4a763676766eee967da8c0753ed2986-s800-c85.jpg

Nicole Grayson is a fourth-grade teacher at a private Christian school in Franklin, Tenn. She and her colleagues have noticed that students and teachers, who have been meeting mostly in person but wearing masks, haven't had the usual seasonal illnesses this year.


Blake Farmer/WPLN News


At this point, it's not just an anecdote.
A study released this month in the Journal of Hospital Medicine, led by researchers from Vanderbilt University Medical Center, found that across 44 children's hospitals, the number of pediatric patients hospitalized for respiratory illnesses is down 62%. Deaths have dropped dramatically too, compared with the last 10 years: The number of flu deaths among children is usually between 100 and 200 per year, but so far only one child has died from the disease in the U.S. during the 2020-2021 flu season.
Adults aren't getting sick either. U.S. flu deaths this season will be measured in the hundreds instead of thousands. During the 2018-2019 flu season, which experienced a moderate level of flu activity, an estimated 34,200 Americans died.
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Masks, distancing — and social expectations
It's not just masks and physical distance that are tamping down communicable disease, says Dr. Amy Vehec, a pediatrician at Mercy Community Healthcare, a federally qualified health center in Tennessee. It has become a serious societal faux pas to go anywhere with a fever — so parents don't send their ailing kids to school, she says.
"They are doing a better job of staying home when they're sick," Vehec says. That includes adults who may feel ill.
Isolating when feeling sick could be kept up after the pandemic. But the isolation, the distance and the masks are not working for many kids, Vehec says.
Children with speech trouble aren't seeing their teacher's mouth to learn how to speak correctly, for instance.
"I think it has been a necessary evil because of the pandemic, and I have completely supported it, but it has had prices. It's had consequences," she says. "Kids' education is suffering, among other things."
And with the COVID-19 vaccine not available to children for a while yet, it may be another year of masks in schools.
There are some experts, including researchers who are trying to improve masks, who argue that more societies should embrace widespread masking in public — as some Asian countries have. But even infectious disease experts such as Dr. Ricardo Franco of the University of Alabama at Birmingham doubt that's practical.
"I'm a little skeptical that this crisis will be enough for a widespread culture change, given how difficult it's been to achieve a reasonable culture shift in the previous months," Franco says.
The most realistic setting for lasting change to occur in may be within the health care industry itself.
Doctors and nurses didn't usually wear masks before the coronavirus emerged. Dr. Duane Harrison directs an emergency department near Nashville, Tenn., for national hospital chain HCA. He says he and his colleagues used to rag on a physician who has worn a mask since he got out of medical school.
"We used to joke and clown with him," Harrison says. "Until this."
Now that everyone is in masks, Harrison has discovered the same phenomenon as other workplaces — his people aren't calling out sick, unless it's COVID-19.
"When COVID's done, this is a practice that most of us will probably continue," Harrison says. "Because we won't be worried about runny-nose kids and elderly people who don't know they're sneezing in your face."
Some hospital systems, including Nebraska Medicine, have started to relax universal masking-at-all-times requirements for their staff. Nevertheless, even those staffers who are fully vaccinated still have to wear a mask anytime they interact with patients. Intermountain Healthcare in Utah has signaled that masks will continue to be required when a statewide mandate lifts in April.
"Is everyone going to need a break?"
But even believers in the effectiveness of masks have their doubts about the medical community keeping it up in the long run.
"The larger question is, is everyone going to need a break?" asks Dr. Joshua Barocas, who studies infectious diseases at Boston University.
Whatever the post-pandemic future holds, public health officials say the time has not yet come to drop mask requirements, because millions more in the U.S. still haven't been vaccinated against COVID-19 yet. But eventually, even doctors and nurses are ready to see smiling faces again.
"I know I'm going to need to retire my masks at some point in the future," Barocas says, "for a little bit."
This story comes from NPR's partnership with Nashville Public Radio and Kaiser Health News


You must be in pot stirring mode JEK!
 
He's just trying to drive clicks on this site so he gets a raise!
Hopefully, this will put the kibosh on the naysayers. As I mentioned earlier this week in another post, the rate of hospitalization in Colorado, at one point recently, for INFLUENZA, was 25, compared to over 2,500, for the same period of time last year. That's less than 1% of the rate last year. So simple, so effective.
 
Hopefully, this will put the kibosh on the naysayers. As I mentioned earlier this week in another post, the rate of hospitalization in Colorado, at one point recently, for INFLUENZA, was 25, compared to over 2,500, for the same period of time last year. That's less than 1% of the rate last year. So simple, so effective.

They, the naysayers, are un-kiboshable.
 
This isn't Japan. I get my flu shot every year. I have received both Covid vaccines. One thing I will not were a mask for the rest of my life once Covid is controlled.
 
This isn't Japan. I get my flu shot every year. I have received both Covid vaccines. One thing I will not were a mask for the rest of my life once Covid is controlled.

I'M AN AMERICAN! I REFUSE TO LEARN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES! IN FACT, I JUST PLAIN REFUSE TO LEARN!!!

FREEDOM!
 
I'M AN AMERICAN! I REFUSE TO LEARN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES! IN FACT, I JUST PLAIN REFUSE TO LEARN!!!

FREEDOM!
You can were a mask as long as you wish. It is called freedom. I were a mask now when I go out in public. I don't were a mask when I am walking through the woods with our dogs. I stated that when Covid is controlled I will not wear a mask unless it is mandated. I guess all the capital letters is your way of shouting. Relax hypertension is dangerous also.
 
Do you open doors for people? Do you say please and thank you? Somethings are just common courtesy and nice things to do for your fellow humans without being legally mandated.

If wearing a mask could reduce 45 million cases of the flu down to less than half a million, it would definitely be worth nearly insurmountable burden or wearing a 2 gram piece of cloth out in public in crowded places. This would have been a no brainer 20 or 30 years ago in America, but we weren't at peak-selfish back then. (we're probably not even at peak-selfish now and I fear for our future)

And if you're going to make an argument, try to keep it apples to apples. No one is suggesting wearing a mask when you're alone in the wilderness or while taking a shower.
 
If it was a no brainer 20 or 30 years ago why wasn't everyone wearing masks? The flu killed 30-40 thousand of people a year before vaccines. You can be the mask czar for the flu. If I get the flu shot, which I do every year, I'm not going to wear a mask. I received my Covid vaccines and if I need to get them every year because of variants I will.
 
If it was a no brainer 20 or 30 years ago why wasn't everyone wearing masks? The flu killed 30-40 thousand of people a year before vaccines. You can be the mask czar for the flu. If I get the flu shot, which I do every year, I'm not going to wear a mask. I received my Covid vaccines and if I need to get them every year because of variants I will.


For me and my family it has been a wakeup call that many Asian countries were on to something with frequent masking. We plan on masking when traveling and on on local mass transport, post pandemic. A learned common courtesy. YMMV.

Also, the flu vacccines effectiveness is much lower than what we are seeing with the COVID vaccinations.


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There have been many posts about the island being closed to visitors and much speculation about when it will reopen. The island will open sooner if we all get
vaccinated and we all wear masks.
 
Thank you John. This is what our family plans to do too.

"For me and my family it has been a wakeup call that many Asian countries were on to something with frequent masking. We plan on masking when traveling and on on local mass transport, post pandemic. A learned common courtesy."
 
That is great for you and your family. Asian countries in general have less freedoms than North American countries. You have the right to wear a mask wherever and whenever you choose. My right also unless it is mandated.
 
If it was a no brainer 20 or 30 years ago why wasn't everyone wearing masks? The flu killed 30-40 thousand of people a year before vaccines. You can be the mask czar for the flu. If I get the flu shot, which I do every year, I'm not going to wear a mask. I received my Covid vaccines and if I need to get them every year because of variants I will.

Common courtesy, kindness to your fellow citizen and a rejection of adamant stupidly as my God given right was a no brainer 30 years ago in America.

Now selfishness, me me me, and f@c# your feelings have taken over.
 
That is great for you and your family. Asian countries in general have less freedoms than North American countries. You have the right to wear a mask wherever and whenever you choose. My right also unless it is mandated.

You were one of those patriots who rallied against the tyranny of seat belt laws, weren't you?

If think wearing a mask or wearing a seatbelt is a loss of freedom, John McCain would like a word.
 
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