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    Mrsm6-7-08 is offline
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    Following covid protocol while dining

    Tonight we went over to Zion. Big mistake on our part.
    We got there early and there was only one table eating.
    About 15 mins later a table comes in. Spaced apart but one woman is visibly sick. Blowing her nose nonstop wiping her used tissues on the menu and coughing nonstop.
    We spoke to the manager about them having someone There who is visibly sick and they did not care and said they would give us the food to go. It’s just upsetting because I was in Antigua for a week and every where we went protocols were followed. I feel like allowing someone who coughing sneezing and sick during a pandemic is risking exposing everyone else.

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    KevinS is offline
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Hmm. Despite the glowing reports from others, my one visit to Zion was less than impressive. Based on just one visit, I haven't said a word about it. But this, this concerns me. My recollection is that Zion was one of the restaurants which were warned about COVID protocols.

    Does Zion not "get it"?

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Not sure how long you've been there, but, if it was after the 19th, could you let us know the process you experienced, upon arrival, for the implementation of Mr. Magras' newest visitor procedures? Wondering if it was a verbal commitment or a written one or did it not come up at all, on your arrival? If you arrived before the 19th, have you heard from anyone who arrived after the 19th, and of their experience of the process, with the new procedures for visitors to the island?

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    MrsB it was a bad and in my opinion horrific situation.. Shame on the guest who put her selfish need to dine out ahead of the population at large and shame on Zion for not asking her to come back as soon as she felt better!

    Everyone here should be following President Magras’ plea to follow the protocols. What has become of common sense and caring?....come on man! Come on woman! Do your part to not allow this pandemic to bring even harsher and stricter rules to be forced on those who have come to vacation in St Barths or to call it home.
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    thanks for the info. I had not tried zion yet, but I had friends who planned to go there this week and I was going to join them. I refuse to go to a restaurant that has so little concern over this situation, so we are making different reservations.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Noticed this on the Wimco web site. Effective January 21 – new regulation for arriving visitors

    “Upon arrival travelers are asked to sign a document that asks for their commitment to not frequent public areas for their first 7 days on the island, in particular restaurants, bars, boutiques, churches.”
    We will be on the island at the beginning of March, not sure how to take this. Will we be basically quarantining at the house the first 7 days? I think only Wimco mentions signing a document.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by csordas95 View Post
    Noticed this on the Wimco web site. Effective January 21 – new regulation for arriving visitors

    “Upon arrival travelers are asked to sign a document that asks for their commitment to not frequent public areas for their first 7 days on the island, in particular restaurants, bars, boutiques, churches.”
    We will be on the island at the beginning of March, not sure how to take this. Will we be basically quarantining at the house the first 7 days? I think only Wimco mentions signing a document.


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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Ok, thank you, this is pretty clear.

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    andynap is online now
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    How are they going to enforce (D) and why bother going there on vacation?


    Andy

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    There are thoughts about installing a guillotine near the anchor in Gustavia where the beloved tourist statue once stood.
    However, most feel another solution will be forthcoming, Andy.
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    Mrsm6-7-08 is offline
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    The whole experience last night really put a bad experience on Zion and the fact that the manager and other waitstaff clearly did not care that the lady was very sick and coughing nonstop and blowing her nose.
    Another thing that really made me upset is when the lady blew her nose. She wiped the menu with her used tissues which made my stomach churn.

    To answer other questions we arrived via tradewind from Antigua to SBH. We had a negative PCR Performed in our villa in Antigua by a private doctor. Our results were ready in less then 24 hours so we were well within the 72 hours.

    I just want to caution everyone who is thinking about going to Zion this happened on 1/23/21.

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    andynap is online now
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    If you test negative coming in to the island I don't understand the reason for (D) above. Am I missing something?


    Andy

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    I have to disagree about Zion. While I have never witnessed anyone "sick" while there, I have never had anything but a pleasant experience, and the staff is small and all masked. When we go, we sit at the round table by the kitchen or the one by the entry door which is far from all other diners, and very airy, with fans and a nice breeze. The chef is one of the most talented on the island and the food is better and more imaginative than most. He will also do almost anything on the menu for take-out, for those who do not want to dine in the restaurant. Anyplace can have an off night, and people who are visibly sick should have the good sense to stay home... if you are basing your decision on "sickness," better to avoid Nikki Beach, Bonito, and Les Bananiers, all of which have been closed due to the staff having Covid-19. Not the case at Zion.

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    GMP62 is offline
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    I agree, Andy. We are all about respecting social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing, etc. However, dining on the island at the phenomenal restaurants is part of the overall vacation experience.
    The Zion incident reported in this thread is appalling! Shame on Zion for not ask on the patron to leave immediately...so disrespectful to the other diners. As we know, this is a very fluid situation, and we will wait and see what’s to come. Sadly, we may be pushing our April trip off... for the third time.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by andynap View Post
    If you test negative coming in to the island I don't understand the reason for (D) above. Am I missing something?
    To account for false negative PCR’s and turning positive and/or becoming infected after testing... The current regulations with a semi-quarantine for 7 days and retesting are meant to strike a "reasonable balance" as detailed below.

    A pre-trip PCR screen keeps some infected individuals from even traveling but the limitations of PCR testing are well-known. Under the regulations of 1/19/20, the PCR serves this purpose but is not considered sufficient for the traveler to go to restaurants, bars, etc..

    Studies indicate (confirm the intuitive) that a post arrival quarantine is better than PCR screening.

    After a quarantine, one essentially becomes part of the population and is treated as such.

    The European CDC has issued a fairly comprehensive guideline document that includes discussion of strategies (most pertinent part starts on page 7 and includes source references). A short excerpt (underline added):

    "Modelling studues... have explored different aspects of the effectiveness of various combination strategies... Based on these studies, a 14-day quarantine period appears to be most effective in reducing the risk of transmission from travellers, although this creates logistical and financial challenges. A 10-day quarantine (without testing at day 10) seems to be the next most effective alternative, particularly if used in combination with other non-pharmaceutical interventions or where countries do not have enough testing capacity.

    Alternatives involving shortened quarantine or combinations of quarantine and testing have been also explored, and it is expected that these will have less negative social impact. If a Member State implements quarantine of travellers, testing could help shorten the quarantine period. A single test upon arrival is considered to be about 40 to 50% effective in preventing the importation of the virus. Given the likely low prevalence of infection among travellers, and assuming that contact information is collected for travellers to enable follow-up if required, the combination of quarantine and a single test at around day 7 after arrival appears to offer a reasonable balance of risks and benefits as an alternative to longer quarantine without testing... Testing twice (upon arrival and after a few days to release from quarantine) does not seem to significantly increase effectiveness - compared to testing only once to release from quarantine - and it is logistically challenging and more resource intensive."

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    Mrsm6-7-08 is offline
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by elgreaux View Post
    I have to disagree about Zion. While I have never witnessed anyone "sick" while there, I have never had anything but a pleasant experience, and the staff is small and all masked. When we go, we sit at the round table by the kitchen or the one by the entry door which is far from all other diners, and very airy, with fans and a nice breeze. The chef is one of the most talented on the island and the food is better and more imaginative than most. He will also do almost anything on the menu for take-out, for those who do not want to dine in the restaurant. Anyplace can have an off night, and people who are visibly sick should have the good sense to stay home... if you are basing your decision on "sickness," better to avoid Nikki Beach, Bonito, and Les Bananiers, all of which have been closed due to the staff having Covid-19. Not the case at Zion.
    I agree about the quality of the food and the chef. Our meals were amazing.
    After last night we will only go to places that are fully outdoors and go early.
    Zion was not packed. We were one of 3 tables in the whole place and we went at 6:45pm.

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    andynap is online now
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    To account for false negative PCR’s and turning positive and/or becoming infected after testing... The current regulations with a semi-quarantine for 7 days and retesting are meant to strike a "reasonable balance" as detailed below.

    A pre-trip PCR screen keeps some infected individuals from even traveling but the limitations of PCR testing are well-known. Under the regulations of 1/19/20, the PCR serves this purpose but is not considered sufficient for the traveler to go to restaurants, bars, etc..

    Studies indicate (confirm the intuitive) that a post arrival quarantine is better than PCR screening.

    After a quarantine, one essentially becomes part of the population and is treated as such. .
    I know but asking for 7 day quarantine is telling people not to come. The businesses must be thrilled.


    Andy

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by andynap View Post
    I know but asking for 7 day quarantine is telling people not to come. The businesses must be thrilled.
    That is a separate issue from the reason for D...

    Back in the early days of the pandemic, one way of limiting visitors adopted by some locales was restriction of short-term stays (my state mandated a 30 day minimum) and imposing quarantines on those who came... the current regulations may effectively do that but leave the payment burden on the already-booked, short-term traveler rather than the hotel or property owner, who may or may not modify their cancellation policies... which is yet another issue...

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    The only was to deal with restaurants who do not respect the protocols and put their guests at risk is to fine them and immediately shut the restaurant down for a period of time. Flagrant disregard speaks to the attitude of management. I would suggest if they are so cavalier with the serious COVID regulations I would also question how the team manages their kitchen with preparation and handling of food.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    The attractions of St. Barths for tourists are many and varied. As they say, different strokes for different folks. For me and my family, we truly enjoy dining at a variety of restaurants which can be witnessed in our pics and posts over the years. We enjoy breakfast treats at the bakeries, varied by Le Jardin, L'Isoletta and a spurge at Manapany. Truly enjoy receiving Andy's daily special posts everyday and choosing where to enjoy a nice lunch special. Dinner's are extraordinary, easy to fill up seven of our rotation favorites in a week capping off with L'Esprit on our final night ritual.
    No shopping for the girls in boutiques. No night caps at our favorite bars.
    Postponing our upcoming March trip. Not an enjoyable way to spend $12,000.00 for a week vacation with the ever increasing restrictions. Waiting for the nonsense to end.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by dadto6 View Post
    Not an enjoyable way to spend $12,000.00 for a week vacation with the ever increasing restrictions.
    Agreed. Sitting on one of the many beaches on SBH with a favorite book is a big part of our vacations. However, if this becomes the ONLY activity allowed, I’m sure I can find many (less expensive) beaches closer to home that would easily fulfill this requirement.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by dadto6 View Post
    The attractions of St. Barths for tourists are many and varied. As they say, different strokes for different folks. For me and my family, we truly enjoy dining at a variety of restaurants which can be witnessed in our pics and posts over the years. We enjoy breakfast treats at the bakeries, varied by Le Jardin, L'Isoletta and a spurge at Manapany. Truly enjoy receiving Andy's daily special posts everyday and choosing where to enjoy a nice lunch special. Dinner's are extraordinary, easy to fill up seven of our rotation favorites in a week capping off with L'Esprit on our final night ritual.
    No shopping for the girls in boutiques. No night caps at our favorite bars.
    Postponing our upcoming March trip. Not an enjoyable way to spend $12,000.00 for a week vacation with the ever increasing restrictions. Waiting for the nonsense to end.
    Now I’m not so devastated about canceling our trip. These new restrictions would have never worked for us. Going out to dinner every night, visiting the bakery every morning and having a daily nightcap at the Bonito bar are the highlights of our trip!

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by lvbookworm View Post
    Agreed. Sitting on one of the many beaches on SBH with a favorite book is a big part of our vacations. However, if this becomes the ONLY activity allowed, I’m sure I can find many (less expensive) beaches closer to home that would easily fulfill this requirement.
    We feel the same. We are scheduled to arrive on March 13, but if we cannot even take breakfast outside of our room at our hotel, it's hard to see the point. I wonder if many travelers will simply ignore the restrictions -- I don't think most people would be unwilling to eat at a single restaurant or enter a single shop for a full 7 days, even if they are then staying longer and will be "free." Perhaps more visitors stay for an extended period than I realize. At any rate, we are grateful to our hotel, Le Village, which is allowing us time to wait and see how things progress (instead of adhering to the usual 45-day cancellation policy, which would require us to decide by this coming Wednesday or lose our deposit). But given the state of the world, it appears unlikely that things will improve during the rapidly dwindling window enough to warrant easing of the current restrictions or allow us to feel confident that we'll be able to have a true, carefree St. Barth's vacation. So with heavy hearts, we are starting to accept that we will likely have to cancel, and maybe we'll be able to squeeze something in later in the spring if the pace of vaccination increases and numbers start to drop. Sigh.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    We cancelled our trip to arrive on 2/13 a couple months ago. Was constantly having second thoughts but NOT now.
    Like others have said, eating out every night is the reason we go on vacation.
    Hope they get it figured out by the fall.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Two questions: 1. Is the 2021 Bucket still on.
    2. Does it matter whether you have had the vaccine?I

    My questions relate to the January 19 pronouncements by Mr. Bruno Magras.

    Sorry for the confusion.

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    The Bucket is still on the calendar. Our fingers are crossed, but truthfully,nthat is not usually all that helpful.
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by rivertrash View Post
    Two questions: 1. Is the 2021 Bucket still on.
    2. Does it matter whether you have had the vaccine?I

    My questions relate to the January 19 pronouncements by Mr. Bruno Magras.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    Dick
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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    I don't think I've yet seen any travel restrictions taking the vaccine into account, especially with it being a bit unclear if vaccinated folks can still spread the virus.

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    Re: Following covid protocol while dining

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrsm6-7-08 View Post
    The whole experience last night really put a bad experience on Zion and the fact that the manager and other waitstaff clearly did not care that the lady was very sick and coughing nonstop and blowing her nose.
    Another thing that really made me upset is when the lady blew her nose. She wiped the menu with her used tissues which made my stomach churn.

    To answer other questions we arrived via tradewind from Antigua to SBH. We had a negative PCR Performed in our villa in Antigua by a private doctor. Our results were ready in less then 24 hours so we were well within the 72 hours.

    I just want to caution everyone who is thinking about going to Zion this happened on 1/23/21.

    Did you stay or leave ?

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