Island Visitor
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The actual cause of global warming is...............THE SUN. And random kinetic energy JAck
Shhhhh Jack. Don't let the secret out.
I think that most serious non-political types have known that for a while. And while I used to rant about the hysteria of Global Warming, I now have changed my tune.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I am still what is known as a Denier. But I have seen the projections of the TRILLIONS of dollars that are going to be made patching a hole in the dike that doesn't exist. And, allegedly, most of those dollars will be made in the US.
Green Is Green. And in a parade of Emporers Wearing No Clothes, the trick is to convince everyone you are a great seemstress.
What useless solution to a nonproblem can I invent to make my share of the booty this boondoggle will bring? That's the ticket!
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JackR
Reged: 10/10/02
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What useless solution to a nonproblem can I invent to make my share of the booty this boondoggle will bring? That's the ticket!
Can you say ethanol? Prices of corn products are already rising due to this boondoggle Jack
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JoshA
Reged: 08/28/05
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Loc: Virginia
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Time to reconsider a denier stance?
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Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
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Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
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Josh..in the past three days our prez has suddenly done a 180 on Dafur..aids in Africa and now global warming...I wonder whats coming today...stem cell???..pro choice???
gee......I wonder why the sudden change of heart?????.....LMAO
politicians are indeed a funny bunch to watch operate
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JoshA
Reged: 08/28/05
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Loc: Virginia
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Never trust a true politician, Miker, but you knew that. Party label doesn't matter. They're in a spin zone immune from reason but not immune from electoral politics. But there are others that truly are immune from reason in a spin zone constructed of their own cherished beliefs.
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WishIWereThere
Reged: 11/04/04
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in the past three days our prez has suddenly done a 180 on Dafur..aids in Africa and now global warming...I wonder whats coming today...stem cell???..pro choice???
From the WSJ 6/2 - just about sums up my feelings.
Too Bad By PEGGY NOONAN June 2, 2007; Page P14
What political conservatives and on-the-ground Republicans must understand at this point is that they are not breaking with the White House on immigration. They are not resisting, fighting and thereby setting down a historical marker -- "At this point the break became final." That's not what's happening. What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them. What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition. This is sad, and it holds implications not only for one political party but for the American future.
The White House doesn't need its traditional supporters anymore, because its problems are way beyond being solved by the base. And the people in the administration don't even much like the base. Desperate straits have left them liberated, and they are acting out their disdain. Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place. [Photo] President Bush has torn asunder the conservative coalition.
For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.
But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."
The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic -- they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, "We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up." On Fox last weekend he vowed to "push back." Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want "mass deportation." Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are "anti-immigrant" and suggested they suffer from "rage" and "national chauvinism."
Why would they speak so insultingly, with such hostility, of opponents who are concerned citizens? And often, though not exclusively, concerned conservatives? It is odd, but it is of a piece with, or a variation on, the "Too bad" governing style. And it is one that has, day by day for at least the past three years, been tearing apart the conservative movement.
I suspect the White House and its allies have turned to name calling because they're defensive, and they're defensive because they know they have produced a big and indecipherable mess of a bill -- one that is literally bigger than the Bible, though as someone noted last week, at least we actually had a few years to read the Bible. The White House and its supporters seem to be marshalling not facts but only sentiments, and self-aggrandizing ones at that. They make a call to emotions -- this is, always and on every issue, the administration's default position -- but not, I think, to seriously influence the debate.
They are trying to lay down markers for history. Having lost the support of most of the country, they are looking to another horizon. The story they would like written in the future is this: Faced with the gathering forces of ethnocentric darkness, a hardy and heroic crew stood firm and held high a candle in the wind. It will make a good chapter. Would that it were true!
If they'd really wanted to help, as opposed to braying about their own wonderfulness, they would have created not one big bill but a series of smaller bills, each of which would do one big clear thing, the first being to close the border. Once that was done -- actually and believably done -- the country could relax in the knowledge that the situation was finally not day by day getting worse. They could feel some confidence. And in that confidence real progress could begin.
The beginning of my own sense of separation from the Bush administration came in January 2005, when the president declared that it is now the policy of the United States to eradicate tyranny in the world, and that the survival of American liberty is dependent on the liberty of every other nation. This was at once so utopian and so aggressive that it shocked me. For others the beginning of distance might have been Katrina and the incompetence it revealed, or the depth of the mishandling and misjudgments of Iraq.
What I came in time to believe is that the great shortcoming of this White House, the great thing it is missing, is simple wisdom. Just wisdom -- a sense that they did not invent history, that this moment is not all there is, that man has lived a long time and there are things that are true of him, that maturity is not the same thing as cowardice, that personal loyalty is not a good enough reason to put anyone in charge of anything, that the way it works in politics is a friend becomes a loyalist becomes a hack, and actually at this point in history we don't need hacks.
One of the things I have come to think the past few years is that the Bushes, father and son, though different in many ways, are great wasters of political inheritance. They throw it away as if they'd earned it and could do with it what they liked. Bush senior inherited a vibrant country and a party at peace with itself. He won the leadership of a party that had finally, at great cost, by 1980, fought itself through to unity and come together on shared principles. Mr. Bush won in 1988 by saying he would govern as Reagan had. Yet he did not understand he'd been elected to Reagan's third term. He thought he'd been elected because they liked him. And so he raised taxes, sundered a hard-won coalition, and found himself shocked to lose the presidency, and for eight long and consequential years. He had many virtues, but he wasted his inheritance.
Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. He threw away his inheritance. I do not understand such squandering.
Now conservatives and Republicans are going to have to win back their party. They are going to have to break from those who have already broken from them. This will require courage, serious thinking and an ability to do what psychologists used to call letting go. This will be painful, but it's time. It's more than time.
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JoshA
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Bush (shrub) has run into the ground anything he ever touched. This now includes our great country. He's neither a liberal nor a conservative. He simply has no principles whatsoever. Born into a powerful political family, he has squandered its legacy. Arrogance and incompetence makes for a disastrous combination. I'm glad to see Republicans waking up to this.
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Island Visitor
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For what it's worth, this season is now predicted to be one of the worst hurricane seasons ever. I say for what it's worth because they are 50 % wrong all the time.
Given the notorious track record of pretty much all these guys (except the fellow at Penn State), I am going to predict this to be a wimpy hurricane season. Oh, it wont be as wimpy as last year's Armageddon Mother Of All Hurricane Seasons, but wimpy nonetheless.
Let's reconvene this post in November and if The Experts prove to be correct, I'll tip my hat to them. If I prove to be correct, they will come up with some other BS excuse about how global warming actually made the seas more warm and stable thereby giving us a wimpy season.
When science becomes the beyotch of politics, it ceases to be science
Yes, it is still early in the season, but it looks as though Honest Adult Predictions (That would be MOI) Have Trumped PC BS (That would be The Experts) Again.
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NYCFred
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Which reminds me, Miker... gonna hit Tuckermans for a little spring skiing?
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Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
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Which reminds me, Miker...
gonna hit Tuckermans for a little spring skiing?
what do you think???...... I probably will...the hike up is a fairly difficult one with a full back pack and skis and having not done it in 20 years and no longer being in my 30's.common sense would dictate not to do it.......but common sense is overrated so I'll give it a whirl...I think I'm still in good enough physical shape to do it...the ride down is certainly worth it...some of the steepest terrain I have ever skied, other then Corbetts Colouir at Jackson Hole or Palavicini at A Basin......when you stick your skis over the edege of Tucks you can't even see where you are going until half the ski is over the edge...and then you had BETTER nail that first turn otherwise its a long tumble down....thats how steep...sweeeeeeeeeeeet!..I've skied some avalanche chutes off piste that were a little steeper but I am forbidden from doing that stuff anymore since Lena was born..I made a deal
and its way too early for the roosters to crow about the current hurricane season, but I do hope for the sake of all who live in the Caribbean, it is a benign one...water temps here in the Cape are pretty high for July.....we'll see how it all plays out soon enough
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Andynap
Reged: 10/24/02
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QUOTE:" water temps here in the Cape are pretty high for July"
You mean like 50 instead of 40??
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St. Barts- where no day is ever the same and one day is not enough
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Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
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Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
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no I mean like a 75 degree surface temperature...with a thermocline that is also deeper then usual....bottom temps were in the high 40's..we had a back door Canadian cold front push through which pushed surface temps back into the mid 60's for a few days but they have been rebounding since...Lena swam all week in it wiithout complaining of being cold
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