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StBartFan2



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Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new
      #47243 - 11/27/05 06:41 AM

After hearing for the last few years that Les Saintes is the St. Bart of 20 years ago, this St. Bart Fan and his partnerfinally had the opportunity to visit during Thanksgiving week.

We have been traveling to St. Bart for only 10 years, so I cannot comment on 20 years ago. But I can imagine Les Saintes being very similar to St. Bart before it was on the "map". It was like stepping back in time, to a Caribbean that was not overrun with tourists and luxury hotels.

We wanted to travel during Thanksgiving and use miles, as this is in addtion to our January trip to St.Bart. We were able to book a flight New York to Montreal to Guadeloupe. An overnight at the Montreal airport was required. (I believe American flies to Guadeloupe from San Juan). There is only one flight a week, on Saturdays.

The first three nights were spent on Guadeloupe, which I believe Karibien has been covering. Briefly.....we stayed at the Meridien in St. Francois....very nice suite....fantastic pool...enjoyed walking around. We rented a car one day, and went to three beaches...all beautiful...very impressed. We ate at small restaurants (similar to Andy's). Three great days.

We had an early morning flight (8:30) for the 15 minute flight from Guadeloupe to Les Saintes. It did not start well. We were the only two waiting for the plane (Air Caraibes). They kept on telling us different stories that the flight was delayed. It was actually cancelled, and we were at the airport until we were put on a 1:00 flight to Marie Galante. They stopped on Les Saintes for us. The plane had 8 seats, very small.

We arrived and the airport attendent called our hotel (Auberge Les Saintes) for us, they were there in 5 minutes. We had booked a room with a seaview. We were taken to a dark, room without a view. I mentioned I was expecting a sea view room. They said the Didier, the owner, would be back at 5 and would let us know what could be done. We went for a walk in town. I was not in a great mood at that point, and the town did not appeal to me. We came back to the hotel and we were put into a Suite with a wonderful sea view, and we would be switched to another room the following day. My attitude picked up, and the start of a great 4 days, with fantatic weather, began.

The hotel is very quirky, and you can see if you go to their website. The rooms are small but interesting. (There are about 10 rooms.) Everyone at the hotel was French, except us. It also has what is considered the best restaurant on the island, and it was excellent.

There are no rental cars on the island. You can rent motor scooters, or walk everywhere. We chose to walk. The island is smaller than St. Bart, only 5 square miles. The main road in town has very little traffic. It has alot of very small restaurants, serving mostly local fish, at very reasonable prices. Most overlook the harbor, which is very nice, dotted with boats. There are also some boutiques, artisans, and stores for local needs. It is really a small fishing village. It is the only town on the island. There are two "town squares", one on the harbour, the other a small park. It is delightful walking through the town. One afternoon on our way back from the beach, an elderly couple had just backed brioche and pain au chocolate, which they sold in front of their home on the main street. It was fresh from the oven and as good as anything you may get in St. Bart or Paris.

Les Saintes if a very beautiful island with many coves with small beaches. The best beach is Pompierre, a beach with very calm, clear, warm waters. It is lined with trees. There is a small island to which you can swim for beautiful views. We went to this beach twice. The first time we walked through town, about 30 minutes from the hotel. Other guests at the hotel told us about a hiking trail to the beach, that was a strenuous and would take about 1 1/2 hours. It was strenuous, but well worth it. There were probably 10 or more vistas that took our breath away. The goal, the beach, was welcome.

We stopped at some other beaches, including Grand Anse at the airport, and the "nude" beach, Anse Craven. Both are not groomed, Anse Craven was small, but with great water and views.

All of the walks were delightful. There were many goats on the island, some penned and some walking around. We also found an elderly woman who had two pet geese...who told them to stop bothering us.

We had three dinners at our hotel, all delicious. Tuna Tataki was fresh and refreshing, grilled lobster (as good as La Langouste, if not better, and less expensive), a fish pate, house made deserts, fresh local fish. The menu was limited but always good. Every morning there were freshly made baked goods.

This trip report was meant to be brief, and I did not cover half of my impressions. We will be posting photos.

Les Saintes is not St. Bart.....it is an island with its own atmosphere and pace. Much simplier and quieter, taking you back to a different time. It is a experience all its own, one that we hope to have again.


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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe [Re: StBartFan2]
      #47245 - 11/27/05 06:58 AM

well..you pretty much described what both Wendi and I would call heaven on earth.....hard to find a negative in that report from my view....no cars....no spas...no foo foo....seafood as the primary food to eat....wow!.....hopefully it will stay that way for a while before the "money" and "beautiful people" discover it, and of course, will have to make it all better...thanks for that.....we re still trying to pull off a trip there but from Colorado it isnt easy...we'll get there some day I'm sure....

Edited by Mike R (11/27/05 07:05 AM)


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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Mike R]
      #47246 - 11/27/05 07:49 AM

can you give rates for the places you stayed at???.also..any particular reason they have beach ( Pompierre) whose name translates to "firetruck"???

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StBartFan2



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Mike R]
      #47251 - 11/27/05 01:17 PM

I may have the wrong spelling, I cannot imagine a beach called firetruck....maybe to keep the crowds away.

The rate was 100 Euros a night, including breakfast. As I mentioned the rooms were small and quirky, but with new bathrooms. Our terrace gave us extra needed space. The hotel is up in the hills a bit, and then up two flights of steps. it is about a five minute walk from town.

Their website is www.petitssaints.com. There do not seem to be many villas for rent on the island, but I saw one that looked pleasant. I believe the website is www.petitssaintesvilla.com ("saints" has an e in one web address, and not in the other...I am not sure which is correct)

Two more observations about the island: I was told not knowing French would be a problem. I do not speak French, but I was able to communicate, and people were very patient. I do speak Spanish, which may have made it a bit easier understanding some French.

Unlike St. Bart, I did not see any real estate offices...they do not seem to be gearing up for an influx of home buyers or renters.


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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: StBartFan2]
      #47252 - 11/27/05 01:45 PM

well...based purely on your trip report that Wendi read ( I thought I saw some drool coming from her as she was reading it )...she gave me the word....to make this trip work in 07 "even if we have to blow off St Barts for a year to do it"...so....I have my orders....looking at flights we'll probably fly into SJU from DEN on a Saturday and then just take that American Airlines flight into PTP from there.....your trip report really kick started our plans and put them into overdrive...... my biggest fear is that once we go there...St Barts will disappear off our radar screen....and that is a blade which cuts both ways.....time will tell.... being able to do both places would rock my world.....Wendi would simply not look back if Les Saintes turned out to be the "place"...hard as it may be to believe for some in here, but I am the more moderate and tolerant one of the two of us when it comes to "resorts gone mad"....LOL

I've already checked out the website for both places you stayed...they look great!

Edited by Mike R (11/27/05 01:46 PM)


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StBartFan2



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Mike R]
      #47254 - 11/27/05 01:59 PM

Just wanted to let you know we stayed at Auberge Les Saintes, not at the villa. When out for a walk I noticed it, and it looked very nice. I do not know what the interior is like, but based on the website it should be nice. It does not have a pool.

St. Bart and Les Saintes are similar in their natural beauty. St. Bart's beaches are more numerous and in my eyes better. The simplicity of Les Saintes gives it a special appeal. Both are wonderful in their unique, yet different, ways.


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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: StBartFan2]
      #47257 - 11/27/05 02:36 PM

Quote:

Just wanted to let you know we stayed at Auberge Les Saintes, not at the villa. When out for a walk I noticed it, and it looked very nice. I do not know what the interior is like, but based on the website it should be nice. It does not have a pool.

St. Bart and Les Saintes are similar in their natural beauty. St. Bart's beaches are more numerous and in my eyes better. The simplicity of Les Saintes gives it a special appeal. Both are wonderful in their unique, yet different, ways.




yeah I checked out the Auberge website.....it looks wonderful...I get all the foo foo I need in real life....."simplicity", as you put it, is the single most appealing thing to us on vacation and one that came across loud and clear in your trip report....luxury is not always about complexity.....as the saying goes...less is more....and that sure sounds like it applies here.... stepping back in time... and going to the real Caribbean, the one I used to know, not the one that has been homogenized and diluted by North America, certainly would not suck either

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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Mike R]
      #47274 - 11/28/05 06:50 AM

Les Saintes is no more The Real Caribbean than St Barts is.

Let's just cut to the chase here:

There are two caribbean islands where the residents are predominantly of european descent, as opposed to african. Those two islands are St Barts and Les Saintes. All other islands have predominantly people of African descent (St John folks will tell you they are 50/50 but this is a stretch).

Now, this does not mean that the Caribbean is Africa. Nor is New Braunfels Texas part of Germany, though settled by Germans. Indeed, you can enjoy marvellous British accents with your tea in Barbadoes, Stiff White Collar in Nassau, French Chic in Martinique and pretty much a melting pot of cultures throughout the region.

Les Saintes sounds like a REALLY cool place. And I would love to see it someday. Barefoot kids in the street, locals at the Fresh Catch Bistro, everyone on a first name basis. What a place!

But make no mistake - it HAS been discovered. It has a daytripper ferry over from G-loop, it has daily flights, yachties know about it, and even the occasional small cruise ship anchors off.

There are perhaps a handful of places that only Boaties visit. Les Saintes is sort of one, although not below the radar completely.

Nice? Laidback? Relaxing? No doubt. NO doubt. And, of all the places in the Caribbean who make the claim of being The Next St Barts, perhaps these folks can make it with the most validity. Because, like St Barts, they are mostly french, not african.

Given that two caribbean islands, and only two, have a predominantly non-african population, calling these two The Real Caribbean is probably inaccurate. The Real Caribbean is a more colorful place than insular French outposts outre-mer, though we love these little slices of France Overseas.


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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #47279 - 11/28/05 08:13 AM

its all semantics.....you KNOW what I mean....pay a little less attention to the words and more to the point....s'il vous plat

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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Mike R]
      #47281 - 11/28/05 08:24 AM

and yes IV..I realize that no place on this overcrowded planet of ours is "undiscovered" anymore....I'm not a complete idiot!!!....so now what people like Wendi and I do is look for the more undiscovered of the discovered....and at the very least it sounds to be that relative to everywhere else

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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Mike R]
      #47282 - 11/28/05 08:25 AM

If the point is that you like small fishing village type islands that do not draw crowds, why not do a Boaty trip through the Grenadines or even some of the BVI?

In fact, the Soggy Dollar is available for purchase. Think of it: You and the mrs running a famous bar and four room hotel where Thirsties swim ashore to enrich your coffers. No parking lot, no cars, no boat dock. Just anchored boats and dripping wet customers.

It's you, mon ami.


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Mike R



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Re: Les Saintes and Guadeloupe new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #47285 - 11/28/05 08:32 AM

I have done that in the past when I had more time,less responsibilities and obligations, and lived on the east coast and in St Croix....spent lots of great times in places like Bequia and Virgin Gorda,Grenada, Elbow Cay and a host of others.... but real life gets in the way now and we are limited by time and opportunity.........dont worry..... it will happen again eventually...thats the plan..... we will sail off into the sunset and never look back......but first...we have this little task of raising Madalena to take care of....LOL

Edited by Mike R (11/28/05 08:46 AM)


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