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Mike R



Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15957
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41771 - 09/19/05 08:48 AM

space and time wont permit to put my list together.... you know as well as I do it would be far longer then the other list.....Nassau...St Thomas ... Key West....Cape Cod...St Martin....etc...use your imagination.....but hey....whatever keeps the sheep happy I suppose is what should transpire.....Anguilla will be one happy island I'm sure....

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Mike R



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41774 - 09/19/05 09:19 AM

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I am a bit curious about some of the things Anguilla has planned, including an enormous project over the next ten years. It may turn out to be The Place in a decade - South Beach On Anguilla. If so, props to them for shaping their own destiny.







please, please tell me you dont honestly believe that the people who live and work in Angulla actually have anything to say about their "destiny"......God I hope you dont believe that.....this is the destiny of a few on the island and whatever bank is backing it, and a few off the island who could care less about the native working mans "destiny"...I can live with the Polyanna...but naive is a whole different story...LOL

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Petri



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41776 - 09/19/05 09:21 AM

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Nevis, for instance, has just approved two more five star hotels to share Pinney Beach with the Four Seasons. So long as these are a couple hundred rooms or so, that should not be too big a deal.




That's really a pity considering what Nevis is. It was quite perfect before, at the upper end Four Season to employ half of the island the few old sugar mill hotels to cater the people who actually want to see something else than the Four Season.

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3. The St Martin Model:

Bring 'em en. Plane, boat, ship, whatever. We want 'em and we will build accomodations for them. Clearly this brings a lot of money to your shores. But it also brings relatively uncontrolled growth, guest workers and a loss of identity.




Just curious, anyone know what the locals from both side of the island think about the situation?

We've stayed in St. Martin shortly over our trips a few times and always in Grand Case. The difference between the French and Dutch is so noticeable that we try to stay away from the Dutch side as much as we can.


We visit Capri a week ago. It's quite an interesting place compared to the Caribbean islands. Flying to Rome and my rail to Naples, taxi to the harbour and the hydrofoil to the island is like going through SXM -- not pleasant but doable considering the ultimate destination.

The island is full of high scale shops, quite a few expensive and high quality hotels. A lot of small, family run services from restaurants to boats to cater the tourists, and the high volume tourist equivalents as well. During the day the island is full of day visitors from cruise ships and the continent, in the evening the crowd changes 100% and everything is very classy and nice.

Petri


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Mike R



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Petri]
      #41777 - 09/19/05 09:27 AM

Capri is definetly a split personality island for sure..thank goodess it has no beaches..did you do the Blue Grotto??

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Island Visitor



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Petri]
      #41778 - 09/19/05 09:30 AM

First of all, there is no denying that just throwing money at something without a well thought out plan is bound to disaster. As such, there are plenty of places that have been overbuilt and ruined. Yep, no doubt. And for all the reasons you would name. D'accord.

As to what the Anguillans do or dont control concerning their destiny, if they are the people who choose their leaders and the leaders make such decisions, then they are the people choosing their destiny.

In my lifetime, the Isle Of Palms has grown from a sleepy little nowhere into a fantastic beach community. Almost fully developed, it is not overdeveloped. It now retains almost all of the charm of its former day and still has a convenient and modern service infrastructure - perhaps the best of all worlds.

Yet, right next door is Sullivan's Island who may have even kicked that game up a notch. SI has adopted some of the most stringent laws known to man about rentals and such in trying to preserve its old and quiet ways. So it ends up with VERY high end and Big Money places, devoid of a lot of crowds and renters.

These two islands have had BILLIONS pumped into them over the last 20 years. And they are grander than ever. Not only have they not been ruined, they have improved.

Smart People often do Smart Things. Hopefully the islanders are Smart People. The folks in St Barts appear to be. I think the folks in St Croix - warts and all - have some good ideas. Everyone else will have to play their cards the way they see fit.


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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Mike R]
      #41779 - 09/19/05 09:41 AM

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please, please tell me you dont honestly believe that the people who live and work in Angulla actually have anything to say about their "destiny"......God I hope you dont believe that.....this is the destiny of a few on the island and whatever bank is backing it, and a few off the island who could care less about the native working mans "destiny"...I can live with the Polyanna...but naive is a whole different story...LOL




SOMEBODY has to vote for the people who approve things. As I pointed out in this thread, the people of Sullivan's Island South Carolina voted to close their island down in some ways. It was a conscious choice they made to preserve their lifestyles - and property values have exploded because of it.

St Barts has eschewed casinos, big resorts, etc. So they have pursued a path that required thought and political will - with political will usually the result of pressure from the masses.

If a people can vote in free and unfettered elections and they choose guys who will sell them out to some bank oversees, then they are getting what they voted for.

The people of St Barts have not voted for that. Nor did the people of Sullivan's Island. Nor have the people of the BVI, who have some of the meanest real estate laws on the books.

Smart is as Smart does. And when I see Smart around me, it is not "polyanna" to assume that other people could also be Smart.


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Mike R



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41780 - 09/19/05 09:51 AM

I need about ten thousand customers like you in my shops.... LOL

I lived down there..I know how the politcal process works...and it doesn work anything at all like you are describing in Utobiaville

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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Mike R]
      #41781 - 09/19/05 09:52 AM

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I need about ten thousand customers like you in my shops.... LOL

I lived down there..I know how the politcal process works...and it doesn work anything at all like you are describing in Utobiaville




I can only refer you to places that have done it correctly. The fact that such places do indeed exist proves that such places do indeed exist.

I really cant offer any better evidence. Nor do I need to do so.


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Island Visitor



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41782 - 09/19/05 09:53 AM

This does NOT mean that everyone will do The Smart Thing. History shows Common Sense to be one of the least common human traits.

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Mike R



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41783 - 09/19/05 09:58 AM

and on that we totally agree...so lets stop here on common ground...

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Mike R



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41784 - 09/19/05 10:02 AM

and I agree that places exist who have "nailed it"..I never disagreed with that....but they are very much the exception...not the rule..thats all I'm saying

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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Mike R]
      #41785 - 09/19/05 10:03 AM

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and on that we totally agree...so lets stop here on common ground...




Nah. Our quest is not to show everyone how to do The Right Thing. Even if we had all the answers (which I doubt we do) most people would ignore us.

Our quest is quite simple: In the Buffet Line Of Life, try a little of several things and then go back for extra helpings of the stuff you like.


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