eddie
Reged: 04/14/04
Posts: 2520
Loc: virginia
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There's the one road, in Pointe Milou, where I wouldn't mind guardrails. If you've been on it, you know the one. If a car is coming at you, it's truly frightening.
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Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15730
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
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there can be a false sense of safety when made too safe....for instance...accidents in the winter both here in New England and up in Colorado primarily involve 4 wheel drive SUVs...why????.because people are dumb enough to believe that 4 wheel drive makes you accident proof and so they drive with less caution than they would in a 2 wheel drive vehicle...you rarely see the ski bum in a beat up Corolla or Accord in an accident because he/she knows they have to drive extra carefully in that type of car in winter conditions....Im guessing the lack of guardrails has the same effect on island drivers
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salem
Reged: 07/18/06
Posts: 183
Loc: Apex, NC
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This has nothing to do with guard rails, but maybe all of the rain will help ease the drought. It was so dry when we were there in May - everything was brown. We had 1 little rain shower, and we found a poor box turtle at the villa trying to drink the few precious drops it could find coming from the gutter. We kept finding a tree frog in the villa sink, too - obviously looking for water. I know the rain is a drag, but the animals and plants need it (as long is it doesn't rain for days on my vacation - ha-ha). :o) I'll try to post a picture of the turtle later on if I can remember how to post photos.
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NYCFred
Reged: 01/06/04
Posts: 6119
Loc: NYC
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<<the next thing you know Americans will be recommending handrails for the walk to Colombier......LOL >>
Well, in some parts of the world they don't feel a need to protect you from yourself...and as you pointed out, lots of guardrails in Miami Beach....
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Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1676
Loc: Detroit
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OK, Salem. You nailed it. A turtle or frog noodling for water. A solid helping hand is good.
I always leave a bowl out for the critters. Our dog hates it. Tough. He's learned to respect helping when times are dry. We're all in this blender together. Rain or shine.
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Skeeter
Reged: 12/20/06
Posts: 1098
Loc: Chicago, IL
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it isnt America.........its St Barts.....they have plenty of guardrails in Miami Beach, Hilton Head, Pacific Coast Highway etc
maybe someone on the island can comment on how many lives have been lost on the "needlessly dangerous" guard rail less roads there
the next thing you know Americans will be recommending handrails for the walk to Colombier......LOL
I don't know Mike.
Having seen the aftermath of tragic accidents, I have to conclude that safe is better than unsafe when it comes to roads. Telling the families "sorry for your loss, but we like things this way" doesn't do much good.
With regard to the handrail -- nobody is recommending that. This is not a case where you are afraid the camel is sticking his nose in. This is a matter of when you drive to Flamands in the rain, the car tends to move in strange ways no matter what speed you are going. When there is no safe speed in a relatively light rain, maybe it is time to look at what can be done.
I do find it funny that a simply suggestion that guardrails be placed has been turned by some into a major political issue. I was hoping we could avoid that sort of talk on this part of the forum.
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Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1676
Loc: Detroit
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Skeet,
I agree with you 96% of the time. But,
"when you drive to Flamands in the rain, the car tends to move in strange ways no matter what speed you are going. When there is no safe speed in a relatively light rain, maybe it is time to look at what can be done."
Try a Moke.
Let me put it this way - TRY A MOKE.
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JEK
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Reged: 01/20/04
Posts: 10719
Loc: Northern Virginia
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I do find it funny that a simply suggestion that guardrails be placed has been turned by some into a major political issue. I was hoping we could avoid that sort of talk on this part of the forum.
Skeeter,
Methinks you are seeing ghosts where there are none. I've followed this banter throughout the day and I can't say that I see anything political in the responses. Well, maybe geopolitical in that what we perceive as proper in the US of A may not be a priority in Saint-Barthélemy. Think globally, live (when you are on our fair island) locally.
Peace.
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Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1676
Loc: Detroit
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Rosita!
How is it? Is the rain gone?
PLEASE let us know.
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John T
Reged: 11/13/02
Posts: 206
Loc: Connecticut
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I like the little island just as it is.
Just bring common sense and enjoy.
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Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15730
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
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I don't know Mike.
Having seen the aftermath of tragic accidents, I have to conclude that safe is better than unsafe when it comes to roads. Telling the families "sorry for your loss, but we like things this way" doesn't do much good.
you 're telling this to someone who didnt have to make that phone call but received that phone call regarding one of my children....so I am more than sensitive to the whole safety issue thank you very much....that being said I don't believe anyone has ever been seriously injured or killed on the roads of St Barts as a result of sliding off the road into a ravine or what not...therefore, thinking along the lines of statistics and probability.....I would say it would be money wasted fixing what statistically at least, is not broken....if you're that concerned about it all..stay in on rainy days or stay put until a thundershower passes....Americans have a strange habit of wanting to Americanize everything they like which isnt......if St Barts wants guardrails...I'm sure they will build them...but in my view its not for us to tell them they need guardrails to protect us from something which hasn't yet proven to be an issue...they have already drunk enough of our kool aid
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bchsunlvr
Reged: 04/14/03
Posts: 267
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Gee whiz, wowwie, lookie here.....bchsunlvr agrees with MikeR. Look out this will get thrown into EE...but the MikeR is right (naaa...he'd be left) ...let's say he's correct!!! They could never protect us from every bad turn or every slick road.....We're far better off knowing we need to be careful and slowing down to enjoy the view...we are still awestruck by what we see every trip and can't imagine why the locals are in such a hurry. I can remember trying to keep up following the greeter on our first trip to the villa (Diaco) with my lovely bride yelling "Slow Down and look at this, it's incredible!" She still yells "Slow Down". And, when it's raining, we don't drive. Just remember don't honk in Lorient....  , and be carefull when you,re up here... 
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