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St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner
      #127025 - 03/26/08 05:57 AM

The below letter was sent by David Grodberg, the founder of the St. Barth Dental Association and a Board Member of the St. Barth Medical Equipment Foundation. They are planning to raise 600,000. Euros for this vital equipment -

March 25, 2008



Dear Friend of St.Barth,

Twenty-Five years ago a group of residents, French, American, and St.Barth natives established a foundation called F.E.M.U.R. It’s purpose was to raise money to purchase equipment for our little local hospital. Each year the Hospital Director would supply a list of things needed to improve services and care. The foundation would then raise the money and would purchase the items. As our population has grown ; the needs of the hospital have also grown. F.E.M.U.R. has been very pleased to provide these necessities for our people and for our tourists.
Twelve years ago ; I was invited to participate with the foundation. The success of our little island has brought more residents and more tourists. We continued to provide the equipment that was requested. Seven years ago ; we established an American 501 C Charitable Foundation. Now, the contributions from our American friends to our hospital are tax deductible under IRS rules.
Our fund raising ability has grown tremendously. We have been able to take on major projects that have helped the hospital and improved the lives of all. Four years ago we raised 140,000 € to build a Dialysis Center. We had residents who would go to St.Martin three times a week for treatment. Cost was not a factor because the French Health Care System paid transportation and transfer costs. The problem was that these elderly, ill people would have to fly over to St.Martin so many times. It was exhausting and terribly interfered with their lives. It was bad enough to have to get to our airport, wait around for your flight, then fly to St.Martin and take a shuttle to the hospital. Then several hours later they had make the reverse trip. Then they were forced to repeat the same trip two more times each week and three times each and every week of their lives.
What a pleasure to be at the opening of the center that we paid for. We looked in on these people who were so happy to be able to stay on St.Barth for their treatment. Their nightmare was over.
This year(2007-2008) we raised 240,000€ for a new Radiology Center that is being built at the hospital. A brand new, state of the art GE machine is waiting to be installed. The opening for this will be about April first.
For our Twenty-Fifth year we have decided to take on our biggest project . We will buy a CT Scanner. It will be installed in the new x-ray area. The cost will be a challenging 600,000€. We think it can be done with the help of those who have been so generous in the past and with new contributors .

So…..the purpose of this letter is to ask for your support. I understand that you are deluged with requests for contributions. We all have gone thru the same thing. After a while it just get’s impossible. But, if you want to do something special for the people and visitors to our island ; here is your chance.
The question of why a CT Scanner is necessary is a good one. Our population is now about 8,500. Each week injured and sick people must be evacuated to St.Martin for scans. These are residents as well as tourists. In October, my friend and partner, Francois Chlous had an accident on his scooter. His pelvis was fractured. He was taken to our airport by ambulance, and put on a plane. He arrived in St.Martin and was taken by ambulance to the hospital where they did a scan with their very old CT Scanner. It was a very painful, exhausting trip for him. Of course, after the scan he made the reverse trip.This is done hundreds of times during the year. We have all passed the airport and seen the ambulance entering thru it’s gate. We have also seen the airport personnel removing seats from the planes ; so that the stretcher and patient could be loaded on
When our new scanner is functioning ; this difficult trip will just be a bad memory. In addition, the results of the scan can be e-mailed any place in the world. So, instant consultations will be possible.
All that must be done now is for us to raise the money. If you would like to contribute :
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1) American Tax Payers : Make your check to St.Barth Medical Equipment Foundation. Mail this to SBMEF. c/o Mr. Lawrence O’Donnell, 32 South Church Street, West Chester, PA 19382
2) Non American Taxpayers : make check to FEMUR. Mail to Mr. Raymond Magras, Treasurer, FEMUR, Public, 97133 St.Barthelemy, French West Indies.

Thank you for your consideration,





David Grodberg

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: tim]
      #127042 - 03/26/08 07:21 AM

Worthy cause...Tim, I just did the calculation and that only represents about $110 US Dollars per SBH resident. I know that the Rental Companies and Hotels are bombarded with taxes now, but wouldn't it be nice if Each and Every Tourist to the Island contributed $100. These numbers are astounding given the number of villa weeks and hotel weeks rented on the Island.

I am going to contribute as I do to several on Island charities, however, I sincerely hope the Island Residents will step up for this as well...

Recently a friend on the Island had a Surfing Accident and was flown to Guadelope, then returned to SBH and waited several weeks to get back to either G or St. Martin for a CT Scan that should have been done earlier. Once complete the scan gave the MD's the complete look at her problem and now she is back on her feet, and will recover thanks to the 'complete' diagnosis.


Additionally, I've had 2 family members suffer minor accidents on the Island in years past & while the Hopital is okay, as you know, the equipment is either void or some is horribly outdated.

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      #127043 - 03/26/08 07:22 AM

Additionally, in the treatment of my family member accidents the Hopital has never allowed me to pay...small benefit I guess for those of us who travel there. Ric

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: ProfessionalLurker]
      #127046 - 03/26/08 07:29 AM

Ric,

I plan to contribute as well.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: tim]
      #127048 - 03/26/08 07:37 AM

Mes amis,

I have received permission from David Grodberg to post his e mail address, and he's expressed his willingness to communicate with those of you who might have questions for him concerning this campaign, sbda2000@hotmail.com.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: tim]
      #127050 - 03/26/08 07:44 AM

I'll contribute and will mention that I learned of the initiative on this forum.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: julia]
      #127056 - 03/26/08 08:11 AM

Mrs EARL and I are in as well. Good golly, with the number of us old fogeys visiting SBH, we may very well need their services!

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: julia]
      #127068 - 03/26/08 08:59 AM

Quote:

I'll contribute and will mention that I learned of the initiative on this forum.




ditto.....

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: Mike R]
      #127075 - 03/26/08 09:50 AM

Yes- why not?

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: andynap]
      #127085 - 03/26/08 10:53 AM

OK Andy, I'll be the curmudgeon this time...

does the SB hospital require improvements?
My MD, sometimes ER staff wife Caroline, was "stunned" (her words) by the equipment when given a tour of the tiny DeBruyn Hospital by the excellent Doc who treated my injury, when we stopped in to thank him in '06.
It's very good to see the upgrades to this facility, who's staff we found to be of the highest order.

who pays?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood recently from one of the FEMUR Board the new GE X-RAY unit (now in a box in a wharehouse on the island) was paid for in part by a grant from the French govenment? I commend Dr. Grodberg along with others for their efforts on this very worthy cause to make up the difference.

what about back home?
By contrast, my wife practices in a govenment hospital with patients sometimes driving hundereds of miles for appointments, their ONLY available paid health care.
Days off, fellow medical staff work without compensation, providing primary care at the free clinic in town to those without insurance, whose ranks are growing---especially with the economy.
If any of the folks on St. Barth or elsewhere wish to donate, here is the link:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jswalden/brochure/pcc-bro.html

No debate, just my 2 euro coin...

Injured on SB---from the US/Canada? Simply, get off the island and back home ASAP.
Tim, I and others maintain insurance for this, just in case.


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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: stbartslover]
      #127086 - 03/26/08 11:11 AM

Jeff- you know more about the island than I do but it's an appeal to help. I'm sure there are many stories like your wife's but ??????

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: tim]
      #127098 - 03/26/08 12:12 PM

I'm in :)

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: stbartslover]
      #127099 - 03/26/08 12:44 PM

Jeff,

I'm a little confused by your post. Are you suggesting that the C.T. Scanner isn't needed on St. Barth or just that we on this site shouldn't help pay for it?

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: tim]
      #127100 - 03/26/08 01:06 PM

Sorry, Tim.
No I don't mean either.
I am certain this is a worthy cause, run by fine people.
The new X-Ray Machine, in medical terms an XRAY scanner, since it's digital (whoa---here I go talking medicine---Caroline would kill me) has been delivered from GE, ready to be installed as I understand it. I was told by a board member it was partially funded by a grant from the Fr. govenment, balance from donations.
The one currently in use is an antique, according to my wife.

The CT Scanner (I have no qualification whatsoever to ascertain need) is an additional, more sophisticated (3 dimentional) piece of diagnostic equipment. Patients currently travel to St. Maarten (or France) for scans. I would assume the new unit will be paid for by a combination of grants/donations?
Good question for Dr. Grodberg.




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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: tim]
      #127102 - 03/26/08 01:08 PM

You know, as a diver I know certain diving areas charge a "user fee" to divers, to support a local decompression chamber...usually a couple of bucks, collected by the dive shops...
I'm the last guy to suggest any new taxes to anyone, but it seems to me that nailing each tourist 2e might help upgrade the equipment pretty quickly...of course, this is in addition to the villa tax...LOL

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: NYCFred]
      #127103 - 03/26/08 01:18 PM

here you go Fred....George Harrison wrote a song for you


Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah I'm the taxman

Should five percent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car I'll tax the street
If you try to sit I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk I'll tax your feet
Taxman

'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman



a resort should not ( and usually does not ) tax tourists for items which have nothing to do with the resort/tourist dynamic....its one thing to tax the tourist for road repair because their presence is contributing to the need for that....or beach clean up for the same reason.....but a CT scanner is something the people of St Barts would mostly if not solely benefit from and therefore they should decide if they want it, and if so, to what degree they can afford to subsidize it.....than after whatever the amount is collected from the general population....if it falls short, than contributions from outside people would be appropriate.....I am willing to contribute to the cause but first I would like to hear how much the citizens, businesses and government are all coughing up for it...because if the majority of the people dont want to buy it and dont think its important.....well than it seems rather dumb to force feed them a CT Scannner


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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: Mike R]
      #127126 - 03/26/08 03:57 PM

Tim, I can understand how part-time residents like yourself have a vested interest in improving the healthcare infrastructure in St. Barts, but for the occasional visitor, the notion of donating another $110 to a place where I spent the identical amount last week for four burgers and a cheap bottle of wine is difficult to digest. It's not exactly a poor backwater with no source of funds.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: Chip]
      #127135 - 03/26/08 05:04 PM

Chip- I wonder how many would contribute if they knew that last year SB finished the 3 million euro "Captainerie" as a lounge for mega-yacht crews.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: andynap]
      #127138 - 03/26/08 05:07 PM

Quote:

Chip- I wonder how many would contribute if they knew that last year SB finished the 3 million euro "Captainerie" as a lounge for mega-yacht crews.




So, have you changed your vote from "Yes, why not" ?

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: JEK]
      #127139 - 03/26/08 05:10 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Chip- I wonder how many would contribute if they knew that last year SB finished the 3 million euro "Captainerie" as a lounge for mega-yacht crews.




So, have you changed your vote from "Yes, why not" ?




Well after I was told about the yacht crew lounge - Maybe not.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: andynap]
      #127141 - 03/26/08 05:18 PM

Andy,

Ouch! A striking contrast. Although the Captainerie could possibly be viewed as a moneymaker by facilitating the attraction of harbor fees from mega yachts . . . don't know how much that adds up to. And a quick pitch for one of the advantages of our type of healthcare system -- if someone thought they could generate a profit with the CT scanner, they would provide the capital.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: Chip]
      #127142 - 03/26/08 05:18 PM

Look, I am always happy to aid a just cause. But, this strikes me similarly as our local Pharmacy, complaining about the poor/low payments by Medicare/Medicaid and the various HMO's. They instituted a "voluntary" usd 3.00 per prescription service charge, to which I said each time "NO". No one is subsidizing my business when times are tough, and they've been tough as evidenced by the fact that I've not been to SBH with my family since November 2003. Meantime that Pharmacy owner is driving a 2008 Mercedes while I continue to drive my 9 year old GMC Suburban.

So, no, I won't be contributing anytime soon to their new CT machine because they can well afford it, and it's in the best interest of the residents to spend the money if they feel there is a need. If they who live there year round won't contribute the money, why should I?

I hate to sound cynical but the residents of SBH can continue to travel to St. Maarten or Guadeloupe if they don't want to spring for the new medical technology or they can contribute to get it done. I won't contribute a single euro, I have more worthy causes close to home and more needy to fund.


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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: andynap]
      #127161 - 03/27/08 02:59 AM

Mrs EARL told me that this would be a nice conversation piece at the DC gathering in May...until then, no commitment for $.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: stbartslover]
      #127186 - 03/27/08 07:04 AM

I feel the need to respond to stbartslover's response for the need of the ct scanner for the hospital here in st.barths. As you know many of us contribute to charities back in the states. I contribute to the the american cancer society as my daughter was lost to this disease many years ago. However, this column is called sbhonline for a reason and not annarboronline or anything else because it mainly pertains to what is happening in st.barths. the bottom line, if you want to contribute something, then do, if not, then don't, but please don't discourage other people from contributing to this worthy cause. You never know, you may need it someday.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: didier]
      #127187 - 03/27/08 07:18 AM

Wow...pretty narrow focus. Discussion is good and I would guess that everyone on this site can gather the info, contemplate, and make up their own mind. I think I'll let this flow for awhile and wait for the DC meeting.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: didier]
      #127194 - 03/27/08 08:05 AM

Didier.
Sorry for your tragic loss.
My Mother volunteered for many years at the American Cancer Society, do know your support is appreciated.
As I posted, I am certain this a worthy cause for residents of St. Barth.
I did require emergency treatment at your hospital and found the staff to be exemplary.
You are correct, not the right place to point out failure of our US system in caring for our own citizens without insurance, who rely on donations as well (if they are fortunate) to obtain even primary care at a free clinic.
As others have mentioned, it is proper that questions can be discussed/answered here in open forum.








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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: andynap]
      #127226 - 03/27/08 12:26 PM

I met with our leading Architect, Francois Pecard, today at our Rotary Luncheon. I asked him how much The Captainerie cost. He told me the building itself cost less than a million euros. Of course, as I have already posted there is no lounge for sailors. It is administrative for the port and a conference center on the top floor. He laughed at the idea of the lounge. He said" that there are plenty of places for the sailors like Le Select,Bar D'Oubli, etc.
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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: toothman]
      #127237 - 03/27/08 02:46 PM

Toothman--

600,000 for the CT Scan...less than 1M for The Captainerie; I don't think you are helping your cause. I recommend everyone go to neutral corners and take a break. Oops, I was suppose to be off line.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: EARL]
      #127246 - 03/27/08 06:44 PM

At one time, where I live, building a new hospital required what was called a Certificate of Need. The theory was, unlike what we see today in the commercialized healthcare industry, that there should be a demonstrated need before spending money on a healthcare facility. If one applied that concept to a CT scanner on SBH, does anyone know what the actual need is? Have there been any studies done to project how much such a piece of equipment would be used? How does a 1:8500 scanner to population ratio compare to what is standard in medical centers in the U.S.?

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: EARL]
      #127293 - 03/28/08 05:56 AM

I believe to compare the cost of a ct scanner with the cost of the building at the port is sort of like comparing apples to oranges.

Building at the port cost, less than a million euros, will last for approximately a hundred years or so, good value I suppose.

ct scanner cost, 600,000 euros, not sure how long it would last, but if it improves just one life....................priceless


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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: didier]
      #127389 - 03/28/08 12:55 PM

I don't want to sound too "political" as this forum is used mostly by/for visitors to the island and very little by locals (except maybe for a few of us like Tim, Didier, Rosita, sometimes Andy (long time tough), Jim and myself.... sorry if I miss some).

If we look at public expenses on the island in the last years, we can clearly blame some investments:

-new Capitainerie
-new airport terminal and runway
-new port facilities
-new "hotel de ville"
......etc...

One can estimate if this was all necessary and most importantly if this money was well spent in building more infrastructure?

Why our local government did not use part of this money to upgrade the much-needed medical equipment in Hopital De Bruyn?

Another question comes to my mind: now that our dear President and fellow councelors have recently decided to ask the visitors a 5% accomodation tax on all hotel and villa rentals, is it fair here to ask for more money from non-residents?

I know this is about charity and not tax (or public) money but I think that this is a local issue and should be sorted out locally. Even if the help of the good people on here is much appreciated.

I just want to mention one figure: the island authorities have raised 580,000 euros in January 2008 by collecting the new accommodation tax. This is just in one month. Why not use this money to buy the CT Scanner?

If charity does not help, sooner or later the local Governement will be forced to invest in medical facilities.

I had to go through a small surgery two years ago and like everybody else I couldn't do it on the island. I just took an appointment with one of the St Martin surgeons (one of them comes twice a month in St Barths) and set up a date for the surgery in St Martin. What's the big deal? This is no different from living in a small village or town in mainland France and have to drive 100 miles to reach the first hospital. Just like many places in the US or other places in the world, I guess.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: islander]
      #127403 - 03/28/08 02:53 PM

Why don't they finance the purchase and amortize the cost of the CT scanner over 5 years or so - 120,000 euros per year plus financing costs. Surely they can handle that.

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Re: St. Barth Seeks Donations for New C.T. Scanner new [Re: georgedp]
      #127505 - 03/30/08 06:44 AM

Dear George,
Femur has been in existance for 25 years. We have purchased a tremendous amount of equipment for the hospital. We can buty stuff because it is done privately. If the island government wanted to buy it; Government approval would be needed from the Department of Outre Mer. They use the same certificate of need policies as the US. They look at the numbers. The St.Martin Scanner is supported by the 250-300b scans every year for St.Barth residents and visitors.
We buy the equipment because we can cut thru the red tape and because we can raise the money.
This is the week-end of the St.Barth Bucket Races. Tonight at 7:00pm; we members of Femur will be on the stage on the wharf in Gustavia. We will be given a check for $50,000 by the race organizers. We appeal to lovers of our island like you because many of you want to contribute in either a small or large way to St.Barth.We do not need to amortize if a large enough percentage of the people that we are contacting; will contribute.


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