Dennis
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Worth the trip? I'll be in NYC in a few weeks for a trade show with a few co-workers. We've talked about getting a steak one of our two nights there and I mentioned this place. I've read a TON of reviews that slam it as an overpriced, overhyped has been.
Intel, please.
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JEK
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Worth the trip? I'll be in NYC in a few weeks for a trade show with a few co-workers. We've talked about getting a steak one of our two nights there and I mentioned this place. I've read a TON of reviews that slam it as an overpriced, overhyped has been.
Intel, please.
Been there many times, but not recently. One thing that has not changed is that is is a cash only place, no plastic except their own.
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goldold25
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NY Times just reviewed Lugers last week or two weeks ago and pretty much said quality is not commensurate with price. Service is brusk, often rude and there are so many new similar alumni places in NYC that a trip to Williamsburg may not be worth the effort. Remember, if you do go, it's cash only.
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JEK
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NY Times just reviewed Lugers last week or two weeks ago and pretty much said quality is not commensurate with price. Service is brusk, often rude and there are so many new similar alumni places in NYC that a trip to Williamsburg may not be worth the effort. Remember, if you do go, it's cash only.
Here it is in full:
The New York Times
September 19, 2007 The Original Master of Blood and Butter By FRANK BRUNI
THE restaurant Peter Luger has been around for an astonishing 120 years. None of them have paid it the kind of tribute that the last five have.
One after another, Luger clones have opened, operated by former Luger cooks or managers or waiters, all of whom trumpet their association with it, all of whom appropriate its traditions. Any day now I expect a news release announcing that a Con Ed worker who checked Luger’s meter is starting a steakhouse, and I expect the menu to spotlight porterhouses for two, three or four, served with butter and blood pooling beneath them, reminiscent of the porterhouses at Luger.
If imitation is indeed flattery, then Peter Luger Steak House has cause to blush for the next 120 years. But not to gloat, and not to coast, and I’m convinced that this venerated and venerable New York institution is doing some of both.
I say that as someone who has loved it for a long time and wants to keep loving it but needs Luger to give me reasons: more consistent food than I’ve had there over the last few years, less dismissive service than I’ve encountered over the last few months.
Has Luger grown tired of us? Or have some of us just grown tired of it?
It’s certainly impossible not to be swayed by the proliferation of steakhouses in New York, so many of which Luger sired or inspired. What Luger serves we can get elsewhere — at Wolfgang’s Steakhouse, Benjamin Steak House, Ben & Jack’s Steak House, Blair Perrone Steakhouse, MarkJoseph Steakhouse — and while it may not be exactly the same, it’s sometimes close enough.
We can get it in less brutally illuminated dining rooms and pay for it with credit cards, which Luger still doesn’t take. We can get it in more accessible locations.
Or we can explore a new generation of steakhouses that have real wine lists — it’s time, way past time, that Luger seriously upgraded its own — and that are less narrowly focused on a mere handful of dishes. At Craftsteak we can begin a meal with terrific raw-bar selections. At BLT Steak we can have a side of sunchokes.
At almost any of these other places we can receive service warmer than Luger’s. The dour crew at Luger’s host station should lighten up, and the waiters should learn the difference between swagger and menace. One of them punctuated a recent lunch there by hurling the restaurant’s signature chocolate coins at my companions and me, turning a before-you-go thank-you into a get-lost pelting.
But on my next and last visit, a night when Luger summoned nearly all of its charms, a different waiter’s gruffness was pitch-perfect, a polished act instead of a peevish attitude.
Three friends and I wondered whether one of us should order fish, just to try it.
“Do you go to Hawaii to ski?” the waiter huffed, letting us know that the only sensible decision was steak for four, along with creamed spinach, of course, and German potatoes, naturally.
What a steak it was. Even before I saw it I could smell it — the acrid top note of its char, the funky bottom note of properly aged beef. I could even hear it, still sizzling from its time in one of the high-temperature broilers.
It was already sliced, and the waiter buckled down to the familiar Luger ritual, putting some filet and some sirloin on each plate, then spooning the pooled juices over it. The beef had a subtle tang, an intense mineral quality, a crazy richness and a spectrum of textures: crunchy at the edges, tender at the bone. I had to keep reminding myself to take it easy, to slow down.
No other steakhouse serves a porterhouse so breathtaking.
In several visits leading up to that one, Luger didn’t, either. Sometimes the steaks had a pronounced char and sometimes just a faint one. Sometimes I could taste the aging of the beef, sometimes not. Sometimes they were medium-rare, just as I’d requested, and sometimes they were slightly overdone.
I’ve traveled a similar road with Luger’s lunchtime hamburger, a mix of ground chuck and trimmings from the aged steaks. It was sumptuous on one occasion, serviceable on two.
And while variability along these lines is common even at principled restaurants, it’s at odds with the legend that Luger trades on, with the ultra-high expectations it creates. It’s not something I recall from visits to Luger a decade ago, shortly after it received three stars in The Times from Ruth Reichl in 1995. And it opens the door to additional qualms.
When the porterhouse is dead-on, I don’t notice how little sweetness there is in the fat slices of tomato with the fat slices of onion, even in the thick of tomato season. When the porterhouse is off, I do notice that, and I notice how excessively sweet the steak sauce is, along with how little flavor the shrimp cocktail has.
I notice that the Caesar doesn’t have as cheesy and salty a punch as the one at Wolfgang’s. That the Canadian bacon, while satisfying, isn’t as smoky and juicy as at Harry’s Steak, where it comes on the bone. That the lamb chops, while robust, don’t hold a candle to the mutton chop at Keens Steakhouse. Luger has fierce competition, new and old.
I’m certain its proprietors want it to be the best. I’m certain they care. They’re completing some renovations and adding another dining room. Whenever prime beef is in short supply, as it has been this year, they serve less of it rather than serving lesser meat.
In late spring and early summer, for example, they scaled back the restaurant’s hours and the number of reservations it accepted. And to compensate for the dearth of top-notch porterhouses, they added a rib steak to the menu. I’m told they’ll keep it there, and they should. It was excellent both times I had it.
They almost always get the fries right, making them thick and crisp enough to withstand the soggy plunge into the steak juices that many of us give them. They rightly present, among the desserts, an irresistible hot fudge sundae, because the only proper coda to gluttony on the scale of a Luger porterhouse, which impresses even when it doesn’t awe, is more gluttony.
With these strong points Peter Luger keeps up with its progeny and its peers. But that’s not the same thing as staying ahead.
Peter Luger Steak House
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178 Broadway, near Bedford Avenue, Williamsburg, Brooklyn, (718) 387-7400.
ATMOSPHERE A brightly lighted series of rooms that recall a Bavarian beer hall.
SOUND LEVEL Moderate to loud, depending on crowd.
RECOMMENDED DISHES Canadian bacon; porterhouse for two to four; rib steak; hamburger; creamed spinach; French fries; hot fudge sundae; cheesecake.
WINE LIST Unimaginative, with an emphasis on big California reds.
PRICE RANGE Dinner appetizers, $2.95 to $15.95; entrees, $31.50 to $48.50; desserts, $8.95. Lunch specials, $8.95 to $16.95.
HOURS From 11:30 a.m. to 9:45 p.m. Monday through Thursday, to 10:45 p.m. Friday and Saturday. From 12:30 to 9:45 p.m. Sunday.
RESERVATIONS For prime dinner times, call at least five weeks ahead.
CREDIT CARDS Peter Luger charge cards only.
WHEELCHAIR ACCESS Entrance and main dining rooms on street level; accessible restroom to be added in coming months.
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Mike R
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better choices for steak in NYC..look at Sparks...the Strip House.....amd Mark Josephs..Ive been to the first two and loved it....my daughter goes to the third one quite a bit
Keens and Palm aint bad - but I havent been to either in quite some time
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JEK
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Worth the trip? I'll be in NYC in a few weeks for a trade show with a few co-workers. We've talked about getting a steak one of our two nights there and I mentioned this place. I've read a TON of reviews that slam it as an overpriced, overhyped has been.
Intel, please.
Another personal observation. I worked in Williamsburg in the early 70s when Luger's was an outpost of civilization in the wilderness. Serpico was shot just up the block from the resto and it was hard to get a cab to drop you off or pick you up after dinner. The gentrification of Williamsburg may have dumbed down the old place.
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MikeinBklyn
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Just a personal thought from a resident...
I love the way they prepare the porterhouses (sizzling in its own fat; portions for two, three or four). But several years ago, the head waiter of PL opened up Wolfgang's in Midtown Manhattan (there is now another one in Tribeca). The steak is the same, there are better sides/desserts/wines, and it is easier to get to than Williamsburg (I'm in Park Slope an it is still easier to go to Manhattan).
Definitely the service and decor leave much to be desired, but it has always been that way; kind of what gives it its charm. The steak being equal, the original has its novelty; the ones in Manhattan have a better meal.
If you do go, just reserve early.
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Dennis
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Thanks, Mike. Always good to get a local perspective.
Sounds like it's a place to go just so you can say you went.
Edited by Dennis (10/03/07 08:10 AM)
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NYCFred
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Head for Strip House. comparable meats, cool decor, and you can stroll the neighborhood post dinner.... Get ready for the (tourist) $2 hotdogs outside Javits, too...LOL
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Dennis
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Head for Strip House. comparable meats, cool decor, and you can stroll the neighborhood post dinner.... Get ready for the (tourist) $2 hotdogs outside Javits, too...LOL
Believe me, my Chicago born and raised co-workers won't eat a hot dog in New York.
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JoshA
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In case you still need some data on Manhattan and Brooklyn restaurants, Michelin has a new list:
October 8, 2007, 10:43 am The Tire Man Weighs In
By Nick Fox
Tags: Awards and Ratings
Michelin has just announced its third annual New York City restaurant ratings. Jean Georges, Le Bernardin and Per Se remained the city’s only restaurants with three Michelin stars. (Alain Ducasse at the Essex House was among them the first year, before it closed.)
Gordon Ramsay at the London joined Bouley, Daniel, Del Posto and Masa among the two stars restaurants, along with Picholine, which had previously had one star.
The new one-star retaurants are Anthos, Blue Hill, Dressler, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, Gilt and L’Atelier de Joël Robuchon. JoJo retrieved a star it had lost last year. In perhaps the the biggest surprise, Craft lost its one star, along with Fiamma, La Goulue and Lever House.
The following also got one star: Annisa, Aureole, A Voce, Babbo, Café Boulud, Café Gray, Country, Cru, Danube, Dévi, Etats-Unis, Fleur de Sel, Gotham Bar & Grill, Gramercy Tavern, Jewel Bako, Kurumazushi, The Modern, Oceana, Perry St., Peter Luger, Saul, Spotted Pig, Sushi of Gari, Veritas, Vong, Wallsé, wd~50.
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