rosita
Reged: 06/11/03
Posts: 300
Loc: st-barthelemy
|
|
it's raining, rain and rain!
since two days in our little island
|
JEK
Moderator
Reged: 01/20/04
Posts: 10729
Loc: Northern Virginia
|
|
The cisterns and the plants will be so happy!
--------------------
Carnaval 2009: Mardi 24 Février 2009!!!!
JEK
|
JimD
Reged: 05/16/04
Posts: 703
Loc: St Barts of Course
|
|
It is absolutely lashing it down.
Managed to venture to the Oasis to stock up on tea and biscuits.
I was the only car on the road.
--------------------
Premium IV
St Barts
|
JEK
Moderator
Reged: 01/20/04
Posts: 10729
Loc: Northern Virginia
|
|
Quote:
Managed to venture to the Oasis to stock up on tea and biscuits.
Of course you would need those to weather the storm :-) Should have stopped to see what RVBama needed as you passed by Les Jardins d'Emmanuel!
--------------------
Carnaval 2009: Mardi 24 Février 2009!!!!
JEK
|
stbartslover
Reged: 02/09/03
Posts: 876
Loc: Ann Arbor. Flamands Blue
|
|
New Guests (scheduled on today's last Winair flt) apparently taking Rapid Explorer instead w/ airport closed. Phoned me from SM, their cell sounded like next door.
Even if they're a little soggy...Andy's pizza this evening will still taste great.
Manager's pic today @ 2pm----flat ocean/lots of rain...greenest those hillsides have been in a while.
|
KevinS
Reged: 07/23/03
Posts: 3416
Loc: Boston
|
|
Forecasters were calling for PR and the USVI to get 4" (100mm) to 8" (200mm) of rain between today and tomorrow. The low pressure area could be classified as a Tropical Depression at any time.
|
JEK
Moderator
Reged: 01/20/04
Posts: 10729
Loc: Northern Virginia
|
|
Quote:
Forecasters were calling for PR and the USVI to get 4" (100mm) to 8" (200mm) of rain between today and tomorrow. The low pressure area could be classified as a Tropical Depression at any time.
I got caught under one of those in November 2003 and we had 240mm in 7 days, over 9 inches.
--------------------
Carnaval 2009: Mardi 24 Février 2009!!!!
JEK
|
phil62
Reged: 02/25/05
Posts: 231
|
|
we left Florida this morning in a heavy downpour. Our weather had been hot,but quite clear and we had good pool time the whole trip. The beach never came back and last night huge 6 to 10 foot waves-so I figured today was going to be the wash out it was when we departed. So good to be home-sunshine here on Long Island and about 76 degrees. Now back to my chores. Amy
|
stbartslover
Reged: 02/09/03
Posts: 876
Loc: Ann Arbor. Flamands Blue
|
|
Winair decided to fly a late day (no bags) trip over through the rain with a full aircraft of happy/wet passengers.
|
EARL
Reged: 06/14/03
Posts: 367
Loc: Tidewater area of Virginia
|
|
"late day (no bags) trip over through the rain with a full aircraft"...Yikes, I'm fearless and that scares me.
--------------------
EARL
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck"
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
Glad all made it in. MikeR might give me crap on this. But, carry on - at least a few day's clothes is the best insurance. Life is good. A couple late bags can't possibly take away from being there. Unless packing special gear and tracking it. Voila! Comfortable clothes, easy times. It's easy. Otherwise ya missed the point. IMHO
--------------------
...
|
KevinS
Reged: 07/23/03
Posts: 3416
Loc: Boston
|
|
There's a lot more blue sky on the airport webcam today, and the satellite photos look much better for SBH. The bulk of the storm is to the west, with Puerto Rico reporting 10" of rain in some areas.
Monday should be a better day in SBH than Sunday was. Juliana Airport (SXM) is reporting winds out of the ENE at 3kts, visibility of 6+ miles, a few clouds at 1600ft, and showers in the vicintity.
|
rosita
Reged: 06/11/03
Posts: 300
Loc: st-barthelemy
|
|
Yes Kevin, today it's blue sky!
I will bring a bottle of rosé champagne tonight and share it with my new friends
..of course I will have a little glass at " votre santé " for you all of this forum
bisous
Rosita
|
stbartslover
Reged: 02/09/03
Posts: 876
Loc: Ann Arbor. Flamands Blue
|
|
George (Voosh) is right---never count on your bags making it same day, especially late.
Earl---worse things than operating in the rain...relax and enjoy your next trip over. Winair has been flying that hop since the mid 60's without incident. Spoke to our Guest, an IFR rated pilot---said it did appear non VFR at times (no horizon) fortunately, it cleared near SBH and the Captain made a perfect apporach. Since others still stranded Princess J, Winair made an even later flight (still without bags) and was able to bring everyone over.
|
Skeeter
Reged: 12/20/06
Posts: 1098
Loc: Chicago, IL
|
|
Serious rain-related question -- Has there been any discussion of adding guard rails to some of the roads? Driving back to IDF one night in a relatively light rain we almost went off the road a few times. I sure would prefer to hit a guard rail than go off the side.
--------------------
Will Travel For Food (But not to Chicago's suburbs -- we do have limits)
|
JEK
Moderator
Reged: 01/20/04
Posts: 10729
Loc: Northern Virginia
|
|
Quote:
Serious rain-related question -- Has there been any discussion of adding guard rails to some of the roads? Driving back to IDF one night in a relatively light rain we almost went off the road a few times. I sure would prefer to hit a guard rail than go off the side.
One of the few . . . . over the years a couple more have been added, but the cost of equipping all the logical places would be prohibitive and likely detract of the ambiance. Go slow, high beams and 4WD when wet.
--------------------
Carnaval 2009: Mardi 24 Février 2009!!!!
JEK
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
Re: "I sure would prefer to hit a guard rail than go off the side."
Um, Ya went off the side when you discovered St. Barts. Like it?
--------------------
...
|
Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15742
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
|
|
Quote:
Serious rain-related question -- Has there been any discussion of adding guard rails to some of the roads? Driving back to IDF one night in a relatively light rain we almost went off the road a few times. I sure would prefer to hit a guard rail than go off the side.
yeah lets do ONE more thing to make it more like home and less like it has been for decades......
--------------------
karma is a beautiful thing at times
|
Skeeter
Reged: 12/20/06
Posts: 1098
Loc: Chicago, IL
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
Serious rain-related question -- Has there been any discussion of adding guard rails to some of the roads? Driving back to IDF one night in a relatively light rain we almost went off the road a few times. I sure would prefer to hit a guard rail than go off the side.
yeah lets do ONE more thing to make it more like home and less like it has been for decades......
But there are certain things I like about home, notably not going to my death in a firey (spelling -- even a word?) crash.
Narrow and twisting is not a problem for me. That adds character and charm. Going off a cliff? That's another matter.
At the very least, road striping would be nice. To at least be able to see the edge of the road would be great, particulary when driving the typical POS car on SB.
--------------------
Will Travel For Food (But not to Chicago's suburbs -- we do have limits)
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
Yep, I miss Jarts and not wearing a helmut (here in MI) and having the lawnmower quit whenever I need to empty the bag. Saved me so many times.
Feeling safer all the time,
Voosh
-- Rosita! Sorry. We got lost here. Hope the rains are gone. Hope all is well.
Edited by Voosh (09/22/08 10:36 AM)
|
Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15742
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
|
|
it is what it is and how its been for as long as I have been going....and I don't see any wrecked cars at the bottom of any ravines there ( and you KNOW down there it would remain in the ravine for years and years )......which tells me there is no need to fix what isn't broken
you want scary try driving in a whiteout snow storm in Colorado high country where they too believe in the Darwinism approach to roads in regards to guardrails and the drops are very very long...LOL
--------------------
karma is a beautiful thing at times
|
Skeeter
Reged: 12/20/06
Posts: 1098
Loc: Chicago, IL
|
|
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
I don't mind "dangerous" but I've got a problem with "needlessly dangerous."
It might be because I make a living dealing with the aftermath of injuries (usually when construction workers don't think they need to use that fall protection that has been offered them) so when I see an open danger, I tend to think that it makes sense to try and make the condition safe.
On construction projects, the goal always needs to be to do what needs to be done to make sure every worker goes home safety to his family every night, and the same thing applies to roads.
If we can make them more safe, we should.
--------------------
Will Travel For Food (But not to Chicago's suburbs -- we do have limits)
|
Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15742
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
|
|
it isnt America.........its St Barts.....they have plenty of guardrails in Miami Beach, Hilton Head, Pacific Coast Highway etc
maybe someone on the island can comment on how many lives have been lost on the "needlessly dangerous" guard rail less roads there
the next thing you know Americans will be recommending handrails for the walk to Colombier......LOL
--------------------
karma is a beautiful thing at times
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
I know this is going to sound snide and not politically correct -
We've gone through +400,000 years of evolution. I don't think yellow lines on the road and hard hats are gonna stop us now. Too many laws. Too much ignored.
Yeah, I'm voting for the new guy. But, please, some commensense all around would be nice.
--------------------
...
|
eddie
Reged: 04/14/04
Posts: 2521
Loc: virginia
|
|
There's the one road, in Pointe Milou, where I wouldn't mind guardrails. If you've been on it, you know the one. If a car is coming at you, it's truly frightening.
--------------------
www.stbartsphotos.com
|
Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15742
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
|
|
there can be a false sense of safety when made too safe....for instance...accidents in the winter both here in New England and up in Colorado primarily involve 4 wheel drive SUVs...why????.because people are dumb enough to believe that 4 wheel drive makes you accident proof and so they drive with less caution than they would in a 2 wheel drive vehicle...you rarely see the ski bum in a beat up Corolla or Accord in an accident because he/she knows they have to drive extra carefully in that type of car in winter conditions....Im guessing the lack of guardrails has the same effect on island drivers
|
salem
Reged: 07/18/06
Posts: 183
Loc: Apex, NC
|
|
This has nothing to do with guard rails, but maybe all of the rain will help ease the drought. It was so dry when we were there in May - everything was brown. We had 1 little rain shower, and we found a poor box turtle at the villa trying to drink the few precious drops it could find coming from the gutter. We kept finding a tree frog in the villa sink, too - obviously looking for water. I know the rain is a drag, but the animals and plants need it (as long is it doesn't rain for days on my vacation - ha-ha). :o) I'll try to post a picture of the turtle later on if I can remember how to post photos.
|
NYCFred
Reged: 01/06/04
Posts: 6127
Loc: NYC
|
|
<<the next thing you know Americans will be recommending handrails for the walk to Colombier......LOL >>
Well, in some parts of the world they don't feel a need to protect you from yourself...and as you pointed out, lots of guardrails in Miami Beach....
--------------------
I go for the Q-tips.
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
OK, Salem. You nailed it. A turtle or frog noodling for water. A solid helping hand is good.
I always leave a bowl out for the critters. Our dog hates it. Tough. He's learned to respect helping when times are dry. We're all in this blender together. Rain or shine.
--------------------
...
|
Skeeter
Reged: 12/20/06
Posts: 1098
Loc: Chicago, IL
|
|
Quote:
it isnt America.........its St Barts.....they have plenty of guardrails in Miami Beach, Hilton Head, Pacific Coast Highway etc
maybe someone on the island can comment on how many lives have been lost on the "needlessly dangerous" guard rail less roads there
the next thing you know Americans will be recommending handrails for the walk to Colombier......LOL
I don't know Mike.
Having seen the aftermath of tragic accidents, I have to conclude that safe is better than unsafe when it comes to roads. Telling the families "sorry for your loss, but we like things this way" doesn't do much good.
With regard to the handrail -- nobody is recommending that. This is not a case where you are afraid the camel is sticking his nose in. This is a matter of when you drive to Flamands in the rain, the car tends to move in strange ways no matter what speed you are going. When there is no safe speed in a relatively light rain, maybe it is time to look at what can be done.
I do find it funny that a simply suggestion that guardrails be placed has been turned by some into a major political issue. I was hoping we could avoid that sort of talk on this part of the forum.
--------------------
Will Travel For Food (But not to Chicago's suburbs -- we do have limits)
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
Skeet,
I agree with you 96% of the time. But,
"when you drive to Flamands in the rain, the car tends to move in strange ways no matter what speed you are going. When there is no safe speed in a relatively light rain, maybe it is time to look at what can be done."
Try a Moke.
Let me put it this way - TRY A MOKE.
--------------------
...
|
JEK
Moderator
Reged: 01/20/04
Posts: 10729
Loc: Northern Virginia
|
|
Quote:
I do find it funny that a simply suggestion that guardrails be placed has been turned by some into a major political issue. I was hoping we could avoid that sort of talk on this part of the forum.
Skeeter,
Methinks you are seeing ghosts where there are none. I've followed this banter throughout the day and I can't say that I see anything political in the responses. Well, maybe geopolitical in that what we perceive as proper in the US of A may not be a priority in Saint-Barthélemy. Think globally, live (when you are on our fair island) locally.
Peace.
|
Voosh
Reged: 01/14/07
Posts: 1689
Loc: Detroit
|
|
Rosita!
How is it? Is the rain gone?
PLEASE let us know.
--------------------
...
|
John T
Reged: 11/13/02
Posts: 206
Loc: Connecticut
|
|
I like the little island just as it is.
Just bring common sense and enjoy.
|
Mike R
Reged: 05/26/03
Posts: 15742
Loc: Stinson Lake - New Hampshire
|
|
Quote:
I don't know Mike.
Having seen the aftermath of tragic accidents, I have to conclude that safe is better than unsafe when it comes to roads. Telling the families "sorry for your loss, but we like things this way" doesn't do much good.
you 're telling this to someone who didnt have to make that phone call but received that phone call regarding one of my children....so I am more than sensitive to the whole safety issue thank you very much....that being said I don't believe anyone has ever been seriously injured or killed on the roads of St Barts as a result of sliding off the road into a ravine or what not...therefore, thinking along the lines of statistics and probability.....I would say it would be money wasted fixing what statistically at least, is not broken....if you're that concerned about it all..stay in on rainy days or stay put until a thundershower passes....Americans have a strange habit of wanting to Americanize everything they like which isnt......if St Barts wants guardrails...I'm sure they will build them...but in my view its not for us to tell them they need guardrails to protect us from something which hasn't yet proven to be an issue...they have already drunk enough of our kool aid
|
bchsunlvr
Reged: 04/14/03
Posts: 267
|
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
rain?
Edit
Reply
Quote
[Re: