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soyabeans



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A FALLING EURO
      #139135 - 08/14/08 02:24 PM

Goldman says US dollar has bottomed, euro to fall
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>NEW YORK, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Stabilizing U.S. economic growth,
>falling oil prices and a deteriorating outlook outside the United
>States have led Goldman Sachs to abandon its ten-year bearish stance
>on the U.S. dollar.
> In a research note on Thursday, the largest U.S. investment
> bank said the dollar's long-term downtrend has ended and its
> undervaluation could lead to a substantial improvement in the U.S.
> balance of payments position.
> "It is time to say goodbye to our long-held dollar bearish
> stance. For about 10 years we have been negative on the dollar,
> occasionally wrong but mostly right," Goldman Sachs wrote in a research note.
> "But now the valuation and growth-driven improvements that we
> have been observing for a while have reached the point where they
> notably improve the medium to long-term outlook for the dollar."
> It added, however, the dollar could still face some challenges
> in the near term such as market positioning, volatility in oil
> prices and weaker U.S. consumer spending. But the "powerful
> improvements in the real trade balance suggest the dollar has
> bottomed." The bank expects capital inflows to start improving.
> Goldman revised its forecasts for several U.S. dollar pairings.
> It now sees the euro <EUR=> falling to $1.45 in three months,
> compared with estimates of $1.56. The euro should drop further to
> $1.40 over the next 12 months.
> On Thursday, the euro traded a near-six-month low at $1.4779,
> according to Reuters data. The dollar has gained more than 5
> percent against the euro so far this month, reaching its highest
> since February.
> On dollar/yen <JPY=>, the bank said it forecasts the pair
> hitting 110 yen in three months from its original estimate of 106.
> Over the course of one year, Goldman said the dollar should rise to 114 yen.
> A big part of Goldman's change in stance on the dollar was the
> more widespread weakness in economies outside the United States,
> which has led to sizable interest rate differentials in the
> greenback's favor. Interest rate markets have priced in rate cuts
> for major central banks, including the European Central Bank and
> the Bank of England, which should diminish their currencies' appeal
> to global investors.
> Aside from rate differentials, Goldman said the U.S. economy is
> finally adjusting favorably to an undervalued dollar.
> "The impact of valuation has become much clearer and more
> powerful -- increasing our confidence that strong, underlying
> forces will lead to continued improvement in dollar fundamentals in
> the next couple of years."
> It added that a strong U.S. export performance and signs of
> growing inflows from mergers and acquisitions should clearly boost the dollar.
> About other currencies, Goldman said it has become more upbeat
> on the outlook for the Brazilian real and Mexican peso. "Certainly
> the growth story in Brazil and firm balance of payments surplus
> should allow the currency to shrug off the broader U.S. dollar
> strength," said Goldman.
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Voosh



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: soyabeans]
      #139136 - 08/14/08 02:32 PM

Nice. Still, 1:1 always worked for me. Who's driving the bus? Who took a wrong turn? Ooops, back to the EE posts.

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creggers



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Voosh]
      #139140 - 08/14/08 03:11 PM



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: soyabeans]
      #139342 - 08/18/08 04:00 PM

soyabeans,

I wonder if restaurant and shop owners will see this currency trend as a panacea for their problems. It's going to take more than an improving exchange rate for many of them. IMHO, there are more shops and restos on St. Barth than can be reasonably sustained, and many of them have priced themselves above their customers' tolerance level. I think we're going to see a big shakeout before next season.

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JackR



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: tim]
      #139347 - 08/18/08 05:16 PM

Maybe they could start the shake up with the gatekeeper: Win-Air?

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debd



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: JackR]
      #139370 - 08/19/08 12:14 PM

I think I mentioned this in an earlier post that this past year was the first time, in our nearly twenty years of going annually, that I left feeling concerned about the future direction of our beautiful island. Aside from the Euro, prices have reached uncomfortable levels, and not only are we impacted, but also are our friends who live there. I began hearing talk of long time residents leaving, and, since our return in March, I have heard of long timers actually leaving. It is so many of those people who are the spirit of St. Bart's, those familiar faces who warmly greet you year after year, and with whom you feel comfortable and trusting. A transient population typically does not provide that comfort. It's never been all that easy (smooth) to get to and leave the island. Now the large airlines that get us there are struggling, cutting back flights, increasing prices, changing ff programs. The small airline situation seems to be getting worse, in terms of price and reliability. Restaurants, food, accommodations, vehicle rental - many up in price. Add to that changes to the faces, the people, the spirit. It is worrisome to me.

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Mike R



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: debd]
      #139372 - 08/19/08 12:22 PM

debd...its mostly going to fall on deaf ears here..lots of people actually like whats going on....but I hear ya...the morphing, evolving, and subsequent culling is in high gear at the moment

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creggers



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139435 - 08/20/08 10:32 AM

other than a very unfavorable euro/dollar exchange rate which is not the islands fault what is so dramatically different that you feel is driving away the lower end visitors ?


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debd...its mostly going to fall on deaf ears here..lots of people actually like whats going on....but I hear ya...the morphing, evolving, and subsequent culling is in high gear at the moment




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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: creggers]
      #139438 - 08/20/08 10:50 AM

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other than a very unfavorable euro/dollar exchange rate which is not the islands fault what is so dramatically different that you feel is driving away the lower end visitors ?






1. The cost of going 15 miles to get there...

2. The dramatic and continuing rising prices on goods and services, in addition to the exchange issue, once you do get there

3. The continuing disappearance of modestly priced hotels and villas being replaced by much higher priced hotels and villas.....

4. The continuing disappearance of modestly priced restaurants being replaced by higher end restaurants who for example, get 21 bucks for a cup of bean soup..LOL

5. The new taxes and fees passed on to tourists, associated with the islands new found autonomy


each issue by itself isn't necessarily a big deal..but the sum of the parts is greater than the whole here


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BillKl



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139440 - 08/20/08 11:03 AM

My wife and are looking to visit in early December, and WinAir quoted us a price of $300 per person round trip. I guess we will be taking the old Rapid Explorer for the first time. Ridiculous

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creggers



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139441 - 08/20/08 11:07 AM

how many of these things you mentioned are exclusive to SBH ? I don't know about where you are but gas, food, air prices have all skyrocketed, and the exchange rate is what it is. I have noticed a disappearance of modestly priced villas every year.
I've never had trouble finding reasonable restaurants on the island....
Andy's,Creperie,Saladrie,Eddy's,Piment,Kudetta,Le Repaire,and of course Select.
I see it more of a sign of the the times (and this crappy economy) than a SBH problem. Just my opinion, your mileage may vary......

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other than a very unfavorable euro/dollar exchange rate which is not the islands fault what is so dramatically different that you feel is driving away the lower end visitors ?






1. The cost of going 15 miles to get there...

2. The dramatic and continuing rising prices on goods and services, in addition to the exchange issue, once you do get there

3. The continuing disappearance of modestly priced hotels and villas being replaced by much higher priced hotels and villas.....

4. The continuing disappearance of modestly priced restaurants being replaced by higher end restaurants who for example, get 21 bucks for a cup of bean soup..LOL

5. The new taxes and fees passed on to tourists, associated with the islands new found autonomy


each issue by themselves isnt necessarily a big deal..but the sum pf the parts is greater than the whole here




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Mike R



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: creggers]
      #139442 - 08/20/08 11:17 AM

oh I didn't say I didn't understand it...I'm on their side of the equation...so believe me I totally understand it...I live it....that's why I said the sum of the parts is greater than the whole............. and yes there still are reasonable and viable options available, albeit shrinking in numbers.....it all depends on how far the current trend goes and when it all ends which will determine what the end product will look like

in terms of what issues are directly unique to and related solely to SBH, I do think there are more cases of blatant price gouging to take advantage of the nouveau wealthy visitor, than there are cases of normal price increases which naturally come with the times


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creggers



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139444 - 08/20/08 11:27 AM

So where do we go next after they drive us out....hahahaha. I always thought it would be Anquilla but I've read that island has really changed (not for the better) in the past 5 years since I've been there.


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oh I didn't say I didn't understand it...I'm on their side of the equation...so believe me I totally understand it...I live it....that's why I said the sum of the parts is greater than the whole............. and yes there still are reasonable and viable options available, albeit shrinking in numbers.....it all depends on how far the current trend goes and when it all ends which will determine what the end product will look like

in terms of what issues are directly unique to and related solely to SBH, I do think there are more cases of blatant price gouging to take advantage of the nouveau wealthy visitor, than there are cases of normal price increases which naturally come with the times




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Mike R



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: creggers]
      #139446 - 08/20/08 11:34 AM

who knows??..we'll think about it if and when the time ever comes....right now the offseason is still pretty damn good and the way we do the trip, still very reasonable in expense without compromising anything we would want or need in a vacation experience..so its all good for us at least.


we re not going to fix what aint broken.......yet

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creggers



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139451 - 08/20/08 11:48 AM

I agree... I've always gone off season to SBH and feel it a very good value. High Season ? now that's a whole different ballgame. From what I've heard I don't think I would even care for the island as much in high season.

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who knows??..we'll think about it if and when the time ever comes....right now the offseason is still pretty damn good and the way we do the trip, still very reasonable in expense without compromising anything we would want or need in a vacation experience..so its all good for us at least.


we re not going to fix what aint broken.......yet




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soyabeans



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: creggers]
      #139457 - 08/20/08 01:26 PM

for those that want to be optomistic on the dollar
the dollar index (strength or weakness of the dollar vs a basket of currencies)rose from 80 to 120 (from 1994 to 2001) and then declined from 120 to 75 (2001 to 2008) around a seven year move....
QUESTION: DOES THIS MEAN WE ARE GOING TO GET ANOTHER 7 YEAR MOVE --WHICH WOULD MEAN THE EURO IS GOING BACK BELOW 1 TO 1????? something to ponder


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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: creggers]
      #139462 - 08/20/08 01:38 PM

QUOTE:" what I've heard I don't think I would even care for the island as much in high season."

I don't know what you "heard" but this past high season was very easy to get around, parking, eating and such was no problem except for the day of Carnival. No restaurant except Andy's and Wall House was full and most were relatively empty.

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: andynap]
      #139463 - 08/20/08 01:44 PM

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I don't know what you "heard" but this past high season was very easy to get around, parking, eating and such was no problem except for the day of Carnival. No restaurant except Andy's and Wall House was full and most were relatively empty.




I'd bet a fair amount of money it didnt look like this.....lunch time on a Saturday




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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139464 - 08/20/08 01:48 PM

or this...Friday afternoon at the beach




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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139465 - 08/20/08 01:52 PM

Mike- I have also shown photos of Flamands in January with hardly anyone on it. St. Jean however is a different story. But I don't know if I would want to be completely alone anyway.

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139466 - 08/20/08 01:52 PM

or this...St Jean on a late Sunday morning.....






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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139467 - 08/20/08 01:55 PM

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or this...St Jean on a late Sunday morning.....









You are standing exactly in front of the villa we had this year.

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: andynap]
      #139468 - 08/20/08 01:59 PM

really???>..thats where we set up camp all the time...looks nice....


I only took those shots because as someone who lives in a resort year round, the notion that low season and high season are the same in any resort is preposterous.....dreamland....so I wanted the pictures to end the debate


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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139469 - 08/20/08 02:01 PM

QUOTE:" really???>..thats where we set up camp all the time...looks nice...."

I bet that's so you would be close to Nikki for that foo foo lunch you talk about all the time.


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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: andynap]
      #139470 - 08/20/08 02:06 PM

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I bet that's so you would be close to Nikki for that foo foo lunch you talk about all the time.





and pass up a great lunch at Kiki y Mo right across the street?????..no way....LOL..besides...look around in the photo..that was right before lunch.....like 1130ish....Nikki Beach might as well be closed for all the business they are doing...they dont even have anyone in one of those moldy splintery 25 euro lounge chairs!!!!..LOL


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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139472 - 08/20/08 02:11 PM

A different time- LOL



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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: andynap]
      #139474 - 08/20/08 02:13 PM

....no thanks
but by all means...enjoy...LOL

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: soyabeans]
      #139481 - 08/20/08 05:07 PM

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QUESTION: DOES THIS MEAN WE ARE GOING TO GET ANOTHER 7 YEAR MOVE --WHICH WOULD MEAN THE EURO IS GOING BACK BELOW 1 TO 1????? something to ponder




Of course, don't you trust the financial institutes?


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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Mike R]
      #139482 - 08/20/08 05:37 PM

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or this...Friday afternoon at the beach


that pic is sweet!

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: Peter_NJ]
      #139486 - 08/20/08 07:48 PM

Mes amis,

Sweet pix, but can you please limit them to 800 pixels max height or width for those with older monitors? Merci.

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: tim]
      #139497 - 08/20/08 08:55 PM

Mon ami- I believe mes is plural which means you included moi. My photo is of legal size I am sure.

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: andynap]
      #139503 - 08/21/08 07:29 AM

Andy,

Sorry, didn't mean to challenge your legally posted photo.

It's been a while since we've had this discussion, but how many readers have monitors on which these large photos won't fit? I know there's some kind of adjustment that can be done to make them fit the screens. Howdoyoudoit?

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Re: A FALLING EURO new [Re: tim]
      #139509 - 08/21/08 08:42 AM

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Andy,

Sorry, didn't mean to challenge your legally posted photo.

It's been a while since we've had this discussion, but how many readers have monitors on which these large photos won't fit? I know there's some kind of adjustment that can be done to make them fit the screens. Howdoyoudoit?




If your screen is not completely full you can pull it over to the right to take in more of the photo. If your screen is full you can change the zoom level at the bottom right to a lesser zoom like 90 % using the custom tab.


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