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Hotel History Quiz
      #135868 - 06/30/08 07:09 AM

Here's the challenge - list the island's deceased hotels in chronological order of their demise. The bodies are fairly well documented in the Hotel Closing thread, but I have two thoughts to add. My first is that the Carl Gustaf is not dead but merely in surgery. I've witnessed the reconstruction effort and feel sure that patient will recover. My other thought is that Autour du Rocher should probably be added to our list, but I know very little about it. Perhaps that should be our grand prize for the contest, a week at Autour du Rocher.... :-)

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135899 - 06/30/08 08:20 PM

Okay, Tim, since no one else will bite, I'll give it a try -

Francois Plantation
Christopher Hotel
St. Barth Beach Hotel
Le Manoir de Marie
Filao Beach
L'Hibiscus
Marigot Bay Club
Sea Horse
Les Castelets
Hotel Baie des Flamands
PLM Jean Bart Hotel
Autour du Rocher

How'd I do? Some of them are pure guesses.

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135900 - 06/30/08 08:35 PM

Tim,

I would move Marigot Bay Club up one notch.

I'm not sure which order L'Hibiscus and Seahorse should be in, but I think that L'Hibiscus may have closed first. L'Hibiscus was Le Clocher in '94, and I don't believe it was operating as a hotel.

Likewise I'm not sure in which order Autour and the PLM closed.

Edited by KevinS (06/30/08 08:39 PM)


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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135901 - 06/30/08 08:36 PM

QUOTE:" Okay, Tim, since no one else will bite, I'll give it a try "

LOL

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: andynap]
      #135902 - 06/30/08 08:38 PM

Hibiscus closed before Sea Horse...barely.....PLM closed before Autour I believe

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135904 - 06/30/08 09:32 PM

Quote:

Okay, Tim, since no one else will bite, I'll give it a try -

Francois Plantation
Christopher Hotel
St. Barth Beach Hotel
Le Manoir de Marie
Filao Beach
L'Hibiscus
Marigot Bay Club
Sea Horse
Les Castelets
Hotel Baie des Flamands
PLM Jean Bart Hotel
Autour du Rocher

How'd I do? Some of them are pure guesses.




Mon Ami,
This may be too esoteric a quizz for this crowd, with a few notable exceptions. Now, another question: who has stayed in the most number of these august establishments?

I can claim only 2, even though I remember each of them.

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: JEK]
      #135905 - 06/30/08 09:34 PM

1

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: Mike R]
      #135906 - 06/30/08 09:37 PM

oh wait....2

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: JEK]
      #135907 - 06/30/08 09:44 PM

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: georgedp]
      #135916 - 07/01/08 08:29 AM

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: KevinS]
      #135928 - 07/01/08 08:53 AM

0 - perennial villa addiction.

I believe "Costliet" closed before Baie des Flamands.

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135939 - 07/01/08 09:32 AM

Here's a revision with the previous suggestions except for the last from Voosh. Voosh, are you confident about the order of Castelets and Baie des Flamands? I have no knowledge other than I've always heard they were both destroyed in Hurricane Luis in '95.

Francois Plantation
Christopher Hotel
St. Barth Beach Hotel
Le Manoir de Marie
Filao Beach
Marigot Bay Club
L'Hibiscus
Sea Horse
Les Castelets
Hotel Baie des Flamands
Autour du Rocher
PLM Jean Bart Hotel

FWIW, I've only stayed in two hotels on St. Barth, both of which are on the above list of the deceased.

Edited by tim (07/01/08 06:00 PM)


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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135943 - 07/01/08 09:41 AM

Quote:

I've always heard they were both destroyed in Hurricane Luis in '95.




That's what I remember.


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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: KevinS]
      #135951 - 07/01/08 10:00 AM

Found this report after Luis, but it doesn't specifically answer the question. Still a chilling reminder of the fury of the storm.

Hurricane Luis




This is a long story. You might want to save it, and read it later.

"Many people find it easy to subscribe to the Biblical notion that they are the masters, or, at least, the custodians of the globe they inhabit. Hurricanes laugh at such a presumption. It is a laughter bordering on hysteria, and will quickly humble and terrify anyone unlucky enough to hear it at close range."


During the final days of August 1995, tropical storm Luis, crawling across the Atlantic on what now seems a predestined path, developed into a hurricane of awesome dimensions: two hundred and fifty miles across, a sustained wind approaching 150 mph, conveying wave after wave of torrential horizontal rain. A meteorologist on the American Weather Channel, relayed to anxious local viewers by Tele-St. Barth, described Luis succinctly, "This is a large, powerful, and dangerous storm."

On Monday night, the 4th of September, the beehive of protective effort was brought to a halt by the arrival of the first waves of wind and rain, and, unsure that they had done enough, islanders withdrew into the most rugged part of the sturdiest buildings that they could find.

Many abandoned vulnerable homes to join more secure relatives or friends, a frightened few sought shelter with the fire brigade on alert at the fire station. Oil lamps and candles were lit, simple meals were prepared, and makeshift beds were arranged. All through the night, radio broadcasts from Guadeloupe and St. Thomas appraised the interned of the path of the storm. Few slept well. By Tuesday morning, the 5th of September, no one needed positions of latitude and longitude to know where the storm was.

Throughout Tuesday, the heart of the tempest pounded and pounded and pounded St. Barths, the eye, by mid-afternoon, passing less than twenty miles to the northeast.

For an unlucky few, defenses failed: roofs disappeared into the howling swirling blast, door and window covers were ripped away admitting wind, water, and shredded vegetation, sucking precious possessions into oblivion. For most, encapsulated in small, dark, damp cubicles, without electricity or running water, stepping over children, pets, and improvised bedding, glancing periodically at the connections between the roof rafters and the walls, silenced by the buffeting roar just outside a thin skin of protection, powerless to do anything but take what was given, it was a long, fretful, and indelibly memorable day.

By evening, it was apparent that the worst was over, and though it would be many hours before a still dangerous wind would entirely subside, many slept soundly, secure in the knowledge that they had survived.

Wednesday morning, the 6th, thirty six hours after they had been sealed, barricaded doors were opened, and a chastened population looked out upon a painfully unfamiliar landscape, stripped to its bones by Luis le Grand Nettoyeur, Luis the Great Cleanser. Whatever had been green and alive was gone. Fallen and broken trees, leafless, were twisted together into a psychotic parody of winter.

At first, many were stunned and saddened by this ample evidence of Nature's power, but the mood passed quickly, and, as a contagious wave of civic pride swept across the island, men and women, young and old, rich and poor, black and white, native and newcomer took a deep breath, rolled up their sleeves, and went to work.

Within hours, roads were opened, and local resources, mobilized under the effective leadership of Mayor Bruno Magras, launched the process of assessing damage, establishing priorities, and restoring essential services. By Thursday, several well stocked grocery stores were open, dispelling fears of food and water shortages, municipal garbage trucks were prowling the roads collecting refuse for the incinerators, and the Brasserie at Villa Créole was offering a tired but happy clientele their choice of sirloin steak, lamb chops, or duck breasts in green pepper sauce.

By Friday a massive island-wide cleanup was in full swing. Electricity had been restored to Gustavia, Public, Corossol, and sections of St. Jean, with teams from EDF Guadeloupe arriving to speed the process for the rest of the island. Roads became crowded with trucks carrying debris, and terraces everywhere were festooned, as if for a royal visit, with laundered articles of every color and description. For a brief period, Gustavia was closed to traffic as a handful of yachts, hurled ashore by wind and sea, were removed from Rue du Centenaire.

The wonder is that a storm of such magnitude didn't do more harm. No one on St. Barths was killed, and no one was seriously injured. Predictably, beachfront properties in Flamand, Anse de Cayes, and St. Jean sustained the greatest loss. The repetitious assault of towering, crashing waves undermined foundations in Flamand, causing decks, swimming pools, and buildings to topple onto the beach, providing an impressive panorama for those seeking sensational photographs. Only a handful of homes elsewhere became uninhabitable, most suffering only superficial damage.

On Monday night, as the first fringes of Hurricane Luis were approaching the island, before communications had been cut, a local girl telephoned a friend in New York to share her anxiety and excitement. "I'm going to be in a hurricane ! It's starting now ! " There was a pause to consider the matter, and finally her friend asked, "What are you going to wear ?"

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: JEK]
      #135955 - 07/01/08 10:34 AM

Mon ami,

Nice article. Loved the punch line, "What are you going to wear?" LOL!

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #135956 - 07/01/08 10:35 AM

I thought Castelet was having other difficulties before Luis. I'll settle for "both gone about the same time." When I get a chance I'll go through pics and notes. Miss both places, though watching Baie slowly crumble for some years from our deck was amusing? interesting? well, something.

Was the Manoir mentioned in the list the place behind the SBH fragrance "factory" (Ligne de SBH) with a view of the cemetary and JoJo burger from the drive? If not, please add to list. I believe its a private compound now.

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: Voosh]
      #135957 - 07/01/08 10:42 AM

The Manoir in the list is the one you described.

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: KevinS]
      #135968 - 07/01/08 01:34 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24436843@N00/2628763378/
Hotel Baie des Flamands, December 1995, after Luis in September


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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: Mike R]
      #135971 - 07/01/08 02:07 PM

Mike is right.Last time we stayed at the PLM was winter '91.The following winter, we made the switch to VSJ,as the PLM had closed some time later in '91 And the famous fire,and "one last party" at Autour was New Years Eve 91,so they both closed around the same time,but PLM a little sooner

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: lloyd]
      #135976 - 07/01/08 06:02 PM

Lloyd,

I editted the latest list per your input. In how many of the places on the list have you and Pat stayed?

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      #136042 - 07/02/08 03:33 PM

Tim
We are creatures of habit
3 times at the old PLM,and 23 times at VSJ ( we are pretty much part of the Charneau family at this stage !)
ps- didn't reply yesterday,as we were at Bill's annual Canada Day party, which was, as usual, fantastic- saw Bill,Arlyn, Deb and Rog, Larry and Cheri
Bill did an amazing fireworks display-each year gets better
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      #136043 - 07/02/08 03:42 PM

Lloyd,

It sounds like nobody can break the two barrier on our list of bygone hotels.

I'm very glad to hear that Deb and Rog made it to Bill's famous party again this year and hope they were both getting along well.

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Re: Hotel History Quiz new [Re: tim]
      #136398 - 07/09/08 10:37 AM

I've stayed at 2..Baie De Flammands (our honeymoon)and the Sea Horse Hotel - we have pictures of our eldest daughter strapped in a babyseat in a killer Moke in their driveway. While I did not stay overnight at Autour De Rocher, I sure did stay there late on a number of nights.

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