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SteveO



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South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla
      #35707 - 06/06/05 03:26 PM

A new resort is opening this fall along Shoal Bay East called Ku. They are marketing the resort as having the minimalist cool of South Beach and the sophistication of St. Barts. It is only a 27 room all suite resort with a beach bar, pool, mini spa. I guess the same management team that helped Cap Juluca gain fame is also behind this project. I wouldn't mind seeing more places like this in Anguilla but the mega projects they have planned worry me.

Great introductory rates for the upcoming year!


http://travelvideo.tv/news/more.php?id=5474_0_1_0_M
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/article/20050606102027125


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Petri



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: SteveO]
      #35874 - 06/10/05 03:37 PM

Just in case someone else is wondering, I exchanged a few e-mails about this new resort and tried to put the place on the map.

It's formerly known as Shoal Bay Beach Hotel and it's next to Uncle Earnie's. It's going through major renovation so I don't know how much will be left, nevet visit the Shoal Bay Beach Hotel.

Petri


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SELES



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Petri]
      #38391 - 08/07/05 05:20 AM

Has anyone run across any further information on Ku? I plan to take a look at it in mid August. Ric

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SteveO



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: SELES]
      #38396 - 08/07/05 11:32 AM

I know it is not opening until October/November and they will have great rates this high season. I hear they have redone a few of the rooms already and they are quite chic. Here is the location of the place. http://www.shoalbaybeach.com/

Ku is the old Shoal Bay Beach Hotel.


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stuart



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: SELES]
      #41396 - 09/15/05 01:33 PM

Did you ever get a look at this place? We have stayed at both Cuisinart and Cap J but the prices are getting ridiculous. Thoughts?

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Dennis



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: stuart]
      #41408 - 09/15/05 02:30 PM

http://www.kuanguilla.com/

Obviously not quite ready yet...


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SELES



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Dennis]
      #41734 - 09/18/05 07:48 AM

I got a short look at the 'to be' KU-Anguilla and it will surprise me if they're ready in November as expected. I think it will be a nice place, and if they keep the rates under Cuisinart and Cap J. they'll do good.

Like it was pointed out at the start of this subject, it really concerns me about 2 things on Anguilla:

1~the rising cost of hotel rooms and rental villas
2~the local governments recent change to allow hotels/inns with over 100 rooms

With the new developments, hotels and massive villas I either saw under construction or heard of with permits/approvals to proceed, Anguilla could easily triple+ their rooms on the Island within 3 years, leaving the peaceable and loving Anguillans who have shared this Island with the Original Aristocracy to be pushed out of the real estate market. Displacement happens naturally in many locations, but this represents a real political change in their laws. The Island will be forced to hire employees from elsewhere and provide some type of housing for them...there she goes.

Just my thoughts.

Ric


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Island Visitor



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: SELES]
      #41758 - 09/19/05 06:21 AM

Anguilla's planned pace is a bit curious. In fact, several islands are adopting a similar strategy. Nevis, for instance, has just approved two more five star hotels to share Pinney Beach with the Four Seasons. So long as these are a couple hundred rooms or so, that should not be too big a deal. But islands that heretofor have been known for being quiet and laidback (Anguilla and Nevis for instance) are really picking up the pace.

It seems that some of this is chasing after The Glitterati. Within six months of reading "Oprah loved Nevis" or "Oprah is buying a house on Anguilla, as is Tom Cruise" both islands are building Bigger And Better.

I find it curious, myself. Because, to me, there are several models you can adopt:

1. The St Croix Model

Having not been a favorite haunt of The Glitterati for some time, they have made their living on second-home owners, divers, marathon runners and folks who like hotels and condos. Their future plans are for large-scale casino resorts chasing middle class americans wanting a good time and a little action. Not everyone's cup of tea - but it will probably be successful.

2. The St Barts Model:

Keep it small, mostly villas and a few boutique hotels, some quite high end. Cater to a monied crowd with sophisticated tastes and offer a little flare with an otherwise sedate experience

3. The St Martin Model:

Bring 'em en. Plane, boat, ship, whatever. We want 'em and we will build accomodations for them. Clearly this brings a lot of money to your shores. But it also brings relatively uncontrolled growth, guest workers and a loss of identity.

4. The Exclusive Glitterati Model:

Very similar to The St Barts Model. Try to bring in Big Money by offering a fine but relatively serene experience not appealing to the mass markets. This is the Parrot Key or the Harbor Island model. No cruise ships need apply.


5. The Mass Market Glitterati Model:

This is the one model that does not make sense to me. It is as this thread says - South Beach Meets St Barts. On the one hand, I see where it is going. Now that Hollywood and Big Money have discovered you, take your game up a notch. On Anguilla, you had Malliouhana, Cuisinart and Cap Juluca to tend to that. And clearly The Glitterati have seen this and responded. As Anguilla likes to advertise "Stars go to St Barts to be seen and Anguilla to escape". But now they are going to put Anguilla on the map. Big resorts, lotsa people, etc. And with less of a villa market, I wonder if Anguilla will quickly chase away the peace-seeking Big Money folks who go there now. And can you make a go of it with High End Mass Market? Perhaps.

The Caribbean in general seems to be on a big growing spree. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.


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Mike R



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Island Visitor]
      #41764 - 09/19/05 08:16 AM

Quote:



The Caribbean in general seems to be on a big growing spree. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.




a blind man can see how it will all "shake out".....give me an example where big development money DIDN"T win out in the end.......and then give me examples of where it did win out.....then look at the numbers and calculate your odds....

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Lauren



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Mike R]
      #41767 - 09/19/05 08:31 AM

The Hurricane Element, if it continues the apparent upswing...could be the only thing that destroys the caribbean development gurus.

In this vein, it will also be interesting to see if the Federal government will strive to rebuild New Orleans quickly. Got to get those strip bars open fast. What if NOLA gets hit again hard this year? And everything goes?


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Island Visitor



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Mike R]
      #41769 - 09/19/05 08:39 AM

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Quote:



The Caribbean in general seems to be on a big growing spree. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.




a blind man can see how it will all "shake out".....give me an example where big development money DIDN"T win out in the end.......and then give me examples of where it did win out.....then look at the numbers and calculate your odds....




I can name a variety of places where Big Money Development did a great job. The list, not inclusive, would include:

1. Mustique

2. Several BVI - particularly Virgin Gorda which hosts three nice and reasonably sizeable resorts

3. St Barts - we can say there is no Big Money on the island but that is utterly false. The aggregate villa pricetag on that island is clearly in the high millions, if not billions.

Those are three quickies. "Money" can indeed mean "ruination" if you want a truly authentic caribbean experience. Few/none of us opt to stay in un-airconditioned stick-shacks or cinderblock buildings on the beach, trying to catch today's sustenance by rod and reel. I know some of us have done that in the past. But it aint us now. Of course, money just thrown at an island with no plan can also mean too much too soon. And that is a real danger.

Authentic? Old School?

Heck, we cant even get on a jet airplane to go to St Barts withoug getting our latest internet updates before leaving.

I dont know if there is any one best model. I think people need to be careful that they have chosen the right model for them. For instance, I think Nevis is probably doing it right. They are attracting mid-sized, very high end resorts to their island in a somewhat small number. The several hundred rooms they will add will not necessarily overwelm Nisbet Beach Plantation or the other small, boutique hotels on the island. And the islanders should be able to absorb these rooms without importing a lot of extra labor.

I am a bit curious about some of the things Anguilla has planned, including an enormous project over the next ten years. It may turn out to be The Place in a decade - South Beach On Anguilla. If so, props to them for shaping their own destiny.

I think St Croix's plans are smart - playing to their strengths (budget deal for the middle class) without trying to be something they aren't. It wont be as Glitterati as Anguilla or Nevis, but it doesn't have to be.

Oh well, no one forces us to go there. So we pay our money and take our chances.


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Island Visitor



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Re: South Beach Meets St. Barts in Anguilla new [Re: Lauren]
      #41770 - 09/19/05 08:44 AM

Quote:

The Hurricane Element, if it continues the apparent upswing...could be the only thing that destroys the caribbean development gurus.

In this vein, it will also be interesting to see if the Federal government will strive to rebuild New Orleans quickly. Got to get those strip bars open fast. What if NOLA gets hit again hard this year? And everything goes?




Most Big Money can plan and work around hurricanes. While St Croix was wiped out by Hugo (over twelve hours of two hundred mile an hour winds) The Bucanner closed up, cleaned up and opened up as grand as ever.

You plan for it, build for it, and then clean it all up.

Look at some of the villas on St Barts - particularly the "case" model places such as La Baleine and such. Those things are fortresses that would probably last through almost anything that could come their way short of Cumbe Vieja.

So long as millions and millions of americans want to recapitulate our amphibian ways and sojourn back to the sea, there will be people who will accomodate us.


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