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07-29-10 07:32 PM - Post#248084
In response to JEK
Your choice of restaurant or your friend's?
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07-29-10 07:42 PM - Post#248086
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It was always called Baie des Flamandes-Isle de France? Is it still called that?
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07-29-10 07:50 PM - Post#248089
In response to Eve aka coco2626
It was always called Baie des Flamandes-Isle de France? Is it still called that?
Baie des Flamands was the hotel that was destroyed in Luis...there is no longer a hotel on that property, it is two private villas now. The restaurant at Baie des Flamands was called Le Fregate.
Isle de France is the hotel next door to Taiwana and they are not at all related.. neither was the Isle de France related to the Baie des Flamands. The restaurant at Isle de France is called Case de L'Ile
In the case of Isle de France, they mean Bay of Flamands as the neighborhood...
what are you referring to exactly?
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07-29-10 07:53 PM - Post#248090
In response to elgreaux
Ellen- you are the island historian.
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07-29-10 07:56 PM - Post#248093
In response to Andynap
Ellen- you are the island historian.
Actually it's more Rosemond who has lived here 52 years and was born just steps from the beach in Flamands... all 8 kids were born at home.. it's his 'hood
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07-29-10 07:59 PM - Post#248095
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I figured that but even I knew those answers. But you are the one posting so you get the credit. 
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07-29-10 08:51 PM - Post#248104
In response to Andynap
I pulled out my Tropical 1991 magazine and there was a hotel called Baie des Flamands-Isle de France.
I wonder why they listed it as one. I will have to go look again
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07-29-10 08:57 PM - Post#248105
In response to Eve aka coco2626
I pulled out my Tropical 1991 magazine and there was a hotel called Baie des Flamands-Isle de France.
I wonder why they listed it as one. I will have to go look again
Oh Isle de France shows up in the 1991-1992 book
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07-29-10 08:57 PM - Post#248106
In response to Eve aka coco2626
I tried to explain that above.. in the case of Isle de France, they mean Baie des Flamands as the neighborhood where they are located - not part of their name, at least not now...
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07-29-10 09:04 PM - Post#248108
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The formal name of the Ile de France appears to be the Hotel Saint-Barth Isle de France. I don't know when Ile turned into Isle. Or has it always been that way?
Ellen, it was indeed Luis that did in the Baie des Flamands. In an earlier thread (now corrected) I said that it was Hugo. Hugo took out the Radio Antilles (The Big RA) radio transmitter on Montserrat, which I used to listen to from SBH. I could be wrong, but I'm remembering that what did happen during Hugo was the sinking of the "Nonstop", somewhere out around Les Gros Islets.
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07-29-10 09:07 PM - Post#248109
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Hi Kevin... not sure about Ile vs Isle...
and yes, Hugo seems to have sunk the Nonstop... high seas?
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07-29-10 09:20 PM - Post#248113
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Ellen, there was talk at the time of "Nonstop" (or was it "Non Stop"?) having been scuttled by the owner, who some said was in financial trouble, and who went down with the ship. I don't know the truth. Perhaps instead he was an owner who fought to save his yacht, and lost both his life and the yacht in the process. Whatever the truth, my recollection is that the crew was said to be ashore, and the owner onboard alone.
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07-29-10 09:21 PM - Post#248115
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your first version is the one that went around at the time, but don't they say that dead men tell no tales?
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07-29-10 09:33 PM - Post#248116
In response to elgreaux
Hotel St Barths Isles de France is in the 1993-1994 Tropical mag, but nothing in the 1991-1992. So it has never been Ile. It was still HSBIdF in 2001.
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07-29-10 09:35 PM - Post#248117
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Yes. Tough to get the truth (or lies) out of dead men.
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07-29-10 10:11 PM - Post#248128
In response to elgreaux
Ellen, we stayed in Villa Melissa recently. I noticed that next door (on the side closest to Baie des Anges) there is a foundation of a house, with a ladder going down to the beach. Do you know what happened to the house? Thanks very much.
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07-29-10 10:30 PM - Post#248130
In response to Snowball
I don't know the villa foundation that you refer to. What I do know is that Flamands was a very different beach pre-Luis, wider, and with higher topography. Many of the beaches on the island have not recovered from Hurricane Luis.
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08-02-10 12:26 PM - Post#248827
In response to JEK
It would be MLI, it has been completely refurbished, from top to bottom, you wouldn't recognize, vast improvement.
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Re: Flamands Beach Vila
08-25-10 07:03 PM - Post#253861
In response to elgreaux
The hotel, Baie des Flamands, was pretty badly damaged and torn down many years later and a few other houses had some damage, but most of them survived!
In fact Monique had something called White Sands Cottages back in the day. Sometime well after hurricane Luis, she did tear then down and build a big villa there instead...
I can remember having a great conversation with Annie Ange from Baie des Anges about when the hurricane destroyed her place. If I am not mistaken, she told me she and her husband were the ones that rebuilt the place. We stayed in her cottages about 3 times some years ago (before we turned into really BIG villa snobs). I had forgotten about White Sands Beach Cottages--you guys are real experts on here. This forum is a FIND and a half.
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08-25-10 07:10 PM - Post#253865
In response to Jeanette
You really have to wonder why Taiwana expanded?? It's not as if anybody stays there. Yet again this trip, I saw absolutely no sign of life there. Although it is looking much better with the white paint, it is still really unattractive.
I have a pretty bizarre Taiwana story. On a much earlier trip to St. Bart's Ed and I took a walk all the way up the hill in Flamands. I guess we were pretty young and green and thought it would be great to check out a few other hotels (I think we might have been staying at Baie des Anges) and we were rather 'intrigued' by Taiwana, though we thought it looked very campy and weird. Well, this guy who we presumed was the owner literally ran us off the property! He was incensed that someone stepped foot on his driveway, yelling at us loudly to vamoose, basically. We thought we walked into the St. Bart's Camp for the Insane that day. I was amazed later to learn how "upscale" and expensive this place was. We still laugh about that nut case that gave us such a hearty welcome. LOL
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08-25-10 07:29 PM - Post#253872
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There are many similar tales of such encounters with the owner of the Taiwana. Don't feel as if you were discriminated against. Chasing folks away makes for a most curious business model.
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08-25-10 07:33 PM - Post#253877
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Andy promised to take us there for lunch next trip. Full report to follow
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Re: Flamands Beach Vila
08-25-10 08:13 PM - Post#253897
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There are many similar tales of such encounters with the owner of the Taiwana. Don't feel as if you were discriminated against. Chasing folks away makes for a most curious business model.
Good to know he was an equal opportunity chaser. Who does he woo for business? Only the French perhaps? 
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Re: Flamands Beach Vila
08-25-10 09:43 PM - Post#253918
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Good to know he was an equal opportunity chaser. Who does he woo for business? Only the French perhaps?
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